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#2990869 2-Nov-2022 09:16

Handsomedan:
So how confident are we for a win against Ireland? Thinking about the possibility of rain, the tendency to play conservatively, the lack of confidence to really go out there and deal to the bowlers...I have some concerns.

If we win the toss and bat first in Adelaide we will most likely win. Seems like most of the pitches in Aus are bat first.

If NZ do end up making it into the final at the MCG they better choose to bat first.

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#2990873 2-Nov-2022 09:19

Dochart: Even after Allen and Conway got out the run rate was too much still at that time. Willliamson should have went big or go home mindset. He needed to have a strike rate of at least 150 or more. A strike rate of a 100 was never going to be enough.

Yeah, you only get 20 overs, can't afford for one of your top order batsman to score too slowly - Some times it gets to the point you have to play some very risky shots so you can get back into the match... nothing worse than losing a match & having plenty of wickets in-hand.

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#2990932 2-Nov-2022 10:28

Dochart:
Handsomedan:

So how confident are we for a win against Ireland? Thinking about the possibility of rain, the tendency to play conservatively, the lack of confidence to really go out there and deal to the bowlers...I have some concerns.

If we win the toss and bat first in Adelaide we will most likely win. Seems like most of the pitches in Aus are bat first.

If NZ do end up making it into the final at the MCG they better choose to bat first.

I'm relatively confident we can get over Ireland, provided weather doesn't come into play. Guptill and Bracewell both got tons in that recent ODI series with them over in Ireland, and won matches they should have lost. Bracewell got man of the series.

NZ aren't going to drop any of Allen, Conway, Williamson, Phillips and Mitchell, even though Mitchell has more padding on that hand than an ice hockey player. I wonder if he's actually fully fit and that hand played the telling part in him dropping Buttler.

Santner and Sodhi are probably safe as well, though I do think they need to rest one of them to try Bracewell against the Irish. He did take a liking to them last time.

Which leaves Neesham's spot ... what is he really contributing at the moment? Williamson has an aversion to bowling outside his set five guys at the moment regardless of the pounding they might be taking, so Neesham, Phillips and Mitchell are making no contribution there. Neesham is not coming off with the bat like he used to.

I'd give Guptill another go, he got a few in his last game over here before they left. We bat deep in theory at the moment, but I wouldn't back anyone after Mitchell to contribute much at all against a quality attack. And, I'm only giving Mitchell the benefit because he is NZ's leading run-scorer in all forms in 2022, and because of his stellar run in the 2021 T20. Where's Blundell when you need him?

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#2990936 2-Nov-2022 10:37

I wonder if picking Bracewell last night would have made a difference in winning the game. Especially batting last and with the England batting line up they bat deep.

Should we have picked Bracewell at the expense of Sodhi last night to extend that batting line up. If we do end up facing England again in the final and we have to bat last NZ might consider this.

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#2991458 3-Nov-2022 10:35

We should beat Ireland, they've never beaten us before... but can't afford to underestimate any of these lower ranked team, that's when you can get stun.

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#2992065 4-Nov-2022 19:29

Yet fail 4 in a row? Whats up with these guys, we have a great batting and bowling lineup but again its poor like the last few games.

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#2992066 4-Nov-2022 19:31

artbloke:

We should beat Ireland, they've never beaten us before... but can't afford to underestimate any of these lower ranked team, that's when you can get stun.

IRE lost 2 wickets close, but its still poor. Very poor

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#2992068 4-Nov-2022 19:35

I wouldn’t be surprised if Ireland beat us. I think a few years ago or longer they beat us one of the ODI’s.

Even though Ireland lost 3 wickets so far they had a much better powerplay than NZ.

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#2992079 4-Nov-2022 20:20

Dochart: I wouldn’t be surprised if Ireland beat us. I think a few years ago or longer they beat us one of the ODI’s.

Even though Ireland lost 3 wickets so far they had a much better powerplay than NZ.

Never happen, but they did well. Its like AB's vs Tonga, never happen, but IRE did far better than the result that was expected. Another BC fail. Kane did well (for a change) The 3 batting guns contributed but no more. The rest no good. Its IRE not ENG

IRE wickets are their poor choices, and you would expect that. But in a World Cup we dont look great

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#2992080 4-Nov-2022 20:24

Lol. Qualified top of the table for the semis and this thread thinks we’re terrible.

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#2992091 4-Nov-2022 22:50

Handle9: Lol. Qualified top of the table for the semis and this thread thinks we’re terrible.

I thought there was a mathematical chance they could miss out on the semis depending on the result of AUS/AFG and ENG/SRI?

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However, now that the Aussies have scored 168 in their innings against Afghanistan, NZ is through on net run rate (had to score 186 and get AFG all out for 0 to go ahead of NZ).

So, at this moment they need to get AFG out for less than 106 to go ahead of ENG’s net run rate.

But even then, the ENG/SRI game tomorrow will ultimately determine who joins NZ ‘above the line’.

The Aussie weather really has made a mess of the tournament.

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#2992097 4-Nov-2022 23:43

Dingbatt:

Handle9: Lol. Qualified top of the table for the semis and this thread thinks we’re terrible.

I thought there was a mathematical chance they could miss out on the semis depending on the result of AUS/AFG and ENG/SRI?

Stop Press!

However, now that the Aussies have scored 168 in their innings against Afghanistan, NZ is through on net run rate (had to score 186 and get AFG all out for 0 to go ahead of NZ).

So, at this moment they need to get AFG out for less than 106 to go ahead of ENG’s net run rate.

But even then, the ENG/SRI game tomorrow will ultimately determine who joins NZ ‘above the line’.

The Aussie weather really has made a mess of the tournament.

There's a non zero chance of finishing second in the group but it's unlikely. There was almost zero chance of missing out entirely, thumping Australia took care of that.

If England win tomorrow they'll almost certianly go through, though there is a chance of showers in Sydney tomorrow.

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#2992121 5-Nov-2022 09:03

We're looking likely to face SA in the semis who are looking in form at the moment. And get revenge for 2015.
Going to be a good one.

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#2992129 5-Nov-2022 09:10

Bubbzy:
We're looking likely to face SA in the semis who are looking in form at the moment. And get revenge for 2015.
Going to be a good one.

The SA side in this world cup have been outstanding. I wouldn’t be surprised if SA end up winning the world cup.

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#2992134 5-Nov-2022 10:07

Great to see Williamson show far more urgency in his batting, that was a top innings, as that wicket wasn't that easy to bat on.

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