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#1981602 22-Mar-2018 15:09

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how much is the track, how much is the bowlers? Thats the question, we might be facing the same difficulty. and we will be batting at night, that is another dimension

Oh no doubt. its the ball clearly, Boult is moving this a lot more than in years. I think we should switch to the Duke ball in NZ, I hate using the Aussie Kookaburra, nothing in it for bowlers, except for this pink one hehehe.

But no doubt, lets not forget ENG are swing bowling nation, but all 6 wickets of Boults are not luck, they were sooooo accurate.

Oh dear 8 down lol.

I havnt seen bowling like this since Hadlee, Id sit on the couch and just get this feeling every delivery something was going to happen. Maybe Shane Warne was like that too.

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#1981610 22-Mar-2018 15:25

Well we still own the lowest score in test history, 26, but this has been sensational. What we dont need is to these two tails to add 50 like we have done in sooo many games.

The weather is showers all day tomorrow with chance of the thunderstorms, same Saturday and Rain Sunday, back to showers but mostly fine monday. My guess is we will get 2.5 days of cricket.

So, NZ cant afford to score 600, they need an ODI score tonight, then declare. There is no way Eng can win now either way, but we could Draw it due to rain.

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#1981613 22-Mar-2018 15:33

TeaLeaf:

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how much is the track, how much is the bowlers? Thats the question, we might be facing the same difficulty. and we will be batting at night, that is another dimension

Oh no doubt. its the ball clearly, Boult is moving this a lot more than in years. I think we should switch to the Duke ball in NZ, I hate using the Aussie Kookaburra, nothing in it for bowlers, except for this pink one hehehe.

But no doubt, lets not forget ENG are swing bowling nation, but all 6 wickets of Boults are not luck, they were sooooo accurate.

Oh dear 8 down lol.

I havnt seen bowling like this since Hadlee, Id sit on the couch and just get this feeling every delivery something was going to happen. Maybe Shane Warne was like that too.

Commentators haven't mentioned the ball. Its moved in the air but not a lot, they even said its not swung a lot. Hard to know. Good bowling, good catching, poor batting (no footwork at all from most). we will soon see. If its the ball we will also struggle.

Edit Pitch has been two paced thats been mentioned quite a bit. 58 all out. This will be answered over the next hour after the break

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#1981620 22-Mar-2018 15:51

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Commentators haven't mentioned the ball. Its moved in the air but not a lot, they even said its not swung a lot. Hard to know. Good bowling, good catching, poor batting (no footwork at all from most). we will soon see. If its the ball we will also struggle

Who said that commentary? Bizarre. Bumble even just said, "swing and my word have they swung it", they had a couple of overs just talking about how much the ball is moving in the air compared to the ODI at Eden park.

it definitely swung, id not say like a Duke ball in England, but much more than the usual ODI white ball. what was impressive was how accurate NZ were with it and how Boult used it and then used the straight ball to bowl Stokes, it look like it was going to swing and went straight on, they showed the difference between the 3 prior out swingers and all landed in same place, on the dot, but about 1foot of swing vs none on the delivery that bowled him. That ball from Boult to bowl Joe Root through the gate was sensational.

I think you will find Anderson wont swing it a ton as hes more line and length in his old age lol, Broad though can swing a brick, as can Woakes.

But there is no way we should crumble unless they bowl as well as Boult did. That was just sensational. I think to be fair 8 wickets for him and 2 for Southee would have reflected the impact better. Not to take away from Southee, but he wasnt moving it in the air as much or nearly as accurate.

Its going to suck drawing a test when you bowl a team out for 50. Test matches 1/3 way into autumn i dont think we well planned. Also felt like with all the t20 and ODIs we didnt have much cricket this year at home. I really hope NZ have their eye on the rain radar, even if we score 250 and retire and the forecast changes dramatically, Eng would have to score 500 to have any hope of winning. I know what Mccullum would be doing.

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#1981635 22-Mar-2018 16:16

Eng definitely not getting the movement in the air Boult did. Although Broad isnt throwing it up in the full zone like Boult was. He is getting some movement off the pitch though, which is usually even more difficult, but wont last as the seam softens. You need to bowl in swinging yorkers to get the movement is what Im seeing, so its not huge swing, about 1 foot wicket to wicket.

Those 2 deliveries to Root and Stoke, left arm around the wicket swinging back in and straightning to go through the gate of a right handed batsman and take the off stump clean I think are 2 of the best deliveries Ive ever seen.

Speaking of which, Broad delivers that very delivery I was referring to and gets the edge only to have Malan drop it. Not going well for Eng.

Edit:Anderson just got some swing, but hes tossed the ball up. Boult was swinging it even at normal length, but outside him, nobody else really has delivered immense swing without it being tossed up, so swinging yorkers is the key for ENg if they want the movement.

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#1981645 22-Mar-2018 16:35

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

Commentators haven't mentioned the ball. Its moved in the air but not a lot, they even said its not swung a lot. Hard to know. Good bowling, good catching, poor batting (no footwork at all from most). we will soon see. If its the ball we will also struggle

Who said that commentary? Bizarre. Bumble even just said, "swing and my word have they swung it", they had a couple of overs just talking about how much the ball is moving in the air compared to the ODI at Eden park.

it definitely swung, id not say like a Duke ball in England, but much more than the usual ODI white ball. what was impressive was how accurate NZ were with it and how Boult used it and then used the straight ball to bowl Stokes, it look like it was going to swing and went straight on, they showed the difference between the 3 prior out swingers and all landed in same place, on the dot, but about 1foot of swing vs none on the delivery that bowled him. That ball from Boult to bowl Joe Root through the gate was sensational.

I think you will find Anderson wont swing it a ton as hes more line and length in his old age lol, Broad though can swing a brick, as can Woakes.

But there is no way we should crumble unless they bowl as well as Boult did. That was just sensational. I think to be fair 8 wickets for him and 2 for Southee would have reflected the impact better. Not to take away from Southee, but he wasnt moving it in the air as much or nearly as accurate.

Its going to suck drawing a test when you bowl a team out for 50. Test matches 1/3 way into autumn i dont think we well planned. Also felt like with all the t20 and ODIs we didnt have much cricket this year at home. I really hope NZ have their eye on the rain radar, even if we score 250 and retire and the forecast changes dramatically, Eng would have to score 500 to have any hope of winning. I know what Mccullum would be doing.

Bumble, The southern guy and I forget who the other was. The ball has moved, but its not wild by any stretch.

?? Broad can swing a brick? and Anderson won't? Bumble just said the opposite, Broad will bang it it in for bounce, Anderson can swing it.

Yes, their bowlers dont have the x factor as our top two. But your batters are a bit woeful. Almost a run out first ball, an uncontrolled shot by Latham that went thru a gap, super lucky, and Raval gone, and he was tending to leave a ball that was swinging in. Bit flakey at times.

Its not inconceivable that NZ wont get a high score. We are batting at 1 RR, it will take years to win lol

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#1981647 22-Mar-2018 16:40

Definitely. And Eng have to get wickets early. They have bowled some great balls.

I still think the captain needs to take the weather into account, regardless of it being 5 days, Williamson should know for sure this test will lose at least 2 days. But he wont, where I believe Mccullum would take weather into consideration.

Very good bowling from England so far.

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#1981662 22-Mar-2018 17:26

Wow that was close. If that was half a ball over Latham was gone. Definitely pitched outside but definitely hitting the wickets. Such is the nature of ball tracking, 2 inches in it I reckon. Can understand England appealing the review, but so very hard live as a bowler to know if thats definitely in line, all you know is if the batsman wasnt there it was hitting the wickets.

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#1981793 23-Mar-2018 07:14

Right, we need to get creative to win this thing. Day 2, today is steady rain from 8am, all day and night. Just a few ml but its every hour. Day 3 is rain every hour. So as I see it, there are two days left of the 5 day match which is now a 3 day 5 day match. We have a 120 odd lead. First thought is play T20 on day 4 to quickly get a 200 run lead then declare, after hopefully 10 overs, that leaves us 80 overs on day 4 to bowl them out, and the last day to finish that and get a few runs. Easy.... But they have a great batting side, not hard to see Root and Cook batting forever. Its about finding a time where we should win and they could win. Placing our faith in our bowlers (as we dont bat very well) to do the job

Or bat steadily as we are now doing, and have no time to bowl them out and score runs

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#1981812 23-Mar-2018 08:08

This is where I find our captaincy frustrating. Knowing the match WILL be shortened by rain, and we had a first session that guaranteed a win barring getting out for under 200 first innings, why on earth were there only 200 runs scored in a day.

Ok so Kane and Taylor scored at a fairly normal, but very sedendary pace given the position of a reduced match at 3rpo

But Latham who had some cracking drives in 1 over, 26/112, Nicholls 24/67, Raval 3/23 (you can almost forgive him as he will often take 80/300 and takes a long time as most openers do). In a NORMAL test match I could forgive the openers and dont blame them, its up to the captain to tell them to get on with it.

We have essentially won the match and drawn it in one day with out batting.

We needed to score at 3-4rpo not 2.5, even 5 rpo, make a quick 200-250 and put Eng back into bat which might have been last night. Jafas make up the majority of the squad and would take one look at the forecast and say we will be lucky to get 2.5 days play.

Time was of the essence Kane, play Tests to win not draw them please.

All that Brilliance from Boult for nothing, except himself which is good to see.

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#1982127 23-Mar-2018 14:44

The rain and wind is on its way. Well done Kane, but honestly, I dont respect his captain mentality. Great batsman. But 2.5rpo when you know you are going to have a severely reduced overs game and you basically had the first team out in under a session, you could have batted 50 overs at 5 rpo and had 20 overs at Eng last night with a 200 lead and 10 overs today if the rain ceases any further play.

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#1982874 25-Mar-2018 15:09

I really feel like we messed up batting for 70 overs at 1.8 RPO, congrats to Nicholls, but 70/200balls is not good enough.

We bowled Eng out for 50 odd for ..... sake, when does a team ever do that and lose, knowing rain was coming I just find Williamsons captaincy really old school and defensive.

We dont need any more runs, we need to win the match, lets say we have 1.5 days or 4 sessions left with more rain possible. Why are we not declaring NOW. Eng cant win this game, even if they scored 450 and we were chasing 200 to win, Id back our team to at least not be bundled, and thats the difference with Mccullum, he backed his players.

If we draw this game Ill be very annoyed. 115 overs we could have scored 250 off 50 at a calm ODI pace, declared giving another 61 overs, or at least score at 3.5rpo and have declared at 100 overs.

Kane is scared the pitch isnt going to break up but hes not scared it could rain?

Play to win even when it means risking a loss (which is soooooo very unlikely in this situation).

Australia or Mccullum would put the foot on the throat here.

I also think we missed a trick not batting Guptil who is in the team, he didnt play 1st class for Auck and stayed. He would make a great 4 or 5 imo in tests, also not playing Santner, I dont feel Astle offers enough on a non turning wicket and its clear Santners batting has improved. If you were playing a spinner to take wickets it would have been Sodhi as well. I just dont get the Astle selection.

Ish Sodhi not picked, goes to 1st class and gets 7/30 and destroys the opposition today. I just dont see the point of picking a leg spinner half as good who can bat a little bit. Astle is like a lesser batsman than Santner and a much less attacking weapon than Sodhi.

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#1982912 25-Mar-2018 17:18

NZ were in this oppurtunity 2 seasons ago and we took too long to declare, we need 1 more wicket to win and Eng batted 142 overs to draw.

If we get to that stage tomorrow Im going to be so pissed;

A: We didnt score quick enough to be able to do B: sooner.

B: Williamson is declaring way too late

We need to bowl Eng out twice, thats the first and foremost to winning the match, if we had runs to get after that, then we could have made a plan, likely it would be something like 4RPO, not hard.

I really think waiting for the lights to come on is a stupid mistake by Williamson.

Interestingly in that 2016 match, Kane WIlliamson was the top bowler in the 4th innings, 4/43 odd.

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#1983057 25-Mar-2018 21:38

Thats one of the angriest bowling sessions Ive seen, to see Boult use the F word in his follow through is out of character.

I think he knew if they didnt get Root tonight Eng will likely bat 3 sessions tomorrow.

Nails Roots hand jamming the fingers, 6 minutes of physio, Root decides to carry on with only 2 balls to go.

Boult delivers a very similar delivery height and Root caught down leg side. Unbelievable.

Boult Man of the Series already.

NZ might get away with batting too slowly and for too long if Boult comes out just as fired up in 1st session.

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#1983115 26-Mar-2018 07:12

TeaLeaf:

Thats one of the angriest bowling sessions Ive seen, to see Boult use the F word in his follow through is out of character.

I think he knew if they didnt get Root tonight Eng will likely bat 3 sessions tomorrow.

Nails Roots hand jamming the fingers, 6 minutes of physio, Root decides to carry on with only 2 balls to go.

Boult delivers a very similar delivery height and Root caught down leg side. Unbelievable.

Boult Man of the Series already.

NZ might get away with batting too slowly and for too long if Boult comes out just as fired up in 1st session.

We can't bat, that's been proven over and over. Higher run rate and we lose wickets. We can bowl, that is our strength. When we were batting in the first innings, you look past Taylor, and its very easy to see those all out for bugger all, unless we got lucky and someone played a blinder. We have to play a test as a bowling effort

Williamson doesnt make all the decisions over declaring.

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