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#2833579 16-Dec-2021 16:38

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FIA launches an investigation into how Masi engineered the transfer of trophy from almost winner Lewis Hamilton to the rightful winner Max Verstappen

I have a very easy solution. if this happens at the end of the last race of the season, the race director can consider a red flag.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/12/16/fia-launches-investigation-into-abu-dhabi-f1-drama/

Why the last race?

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#2833629 16-Dec-2021 18:15

Most races have hard luck stories, good luck stories. Abu Dhabi could have occurred in any race. The titles are points from 23 races, and each of those races have the same points tallies.

FIA could have investigations into most race weekends, so they are shooting themselves in the foot. They should hold a season assessment which will focus on incidents that were divisive. As in many said that whatever was fine while the other many said it was wrong.

EDIT

Silly me for buying in to the clickbait

The fact is "“detailed analysis and clarification exercise”

But investigation is a better clickbait word I guess

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#2835687 20-Dec-2021 01:53

It’s now been 1 week since the last race of 2021.

I know this as my watch alarm just woke me!

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#2835688 20-Dec-2021 01:58

insane: I suspect Masi was trying to bring some balance to the race and reverse the earlier howler of the stewards.

Seems he has no control if something goes to the Stewards, but the power to do something before it gets there. Bit like his negotiated swap last weekend. He was probably also a bit over Toto trying to influence race control.

Merc really have themselves to blame, they chose track position at the first VSC. And gambled it would take 7+ laps to clear the wreck and finish under a SC.

The FIA could have reshuffled the pack quicker though to allow two full laps at the end. It's always too slow and they need to sort that out.

This is pretty much my take too.

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#2835850 20-Dec-2021 10:09

Trying to imagine what would have been said if all the lapped cars had been cleared and Max still won on the last lap. What would they had said then?

Now I'm more convinced this is a perfect smokescreen for Lewis to retire before having to go up against George. Not surpassing Michael must be really grinding his gears though!

Next news cycle, Merc threaten to exit F1 if Masi doesn't apologise publically and buy all Hamilton's 8x world champ merchandise :P

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#2835870 20-Dec-2021 10:25

In my opinion, as a Lewis fan, I would have been fine with it but this was never going to be the case was it. You could see from the crash that it was going to take some time to clear up and that it was going to be either a restart with all cars in place or finish behind the safety car. The only way it would have been a different outcome would be for the crash to occur a lap or two earlier, in which case Mercedes response would have been a lot different as Lewis and his car where much faster than Max and his redbull and they would both have been on fresh tyres. Ultimately what we saw was the Race Director applying a rule in a manner not in accordance with the safety car restart procedures and contrary to a previous position where he publically stated he couldn't start it any earlier as he had to let all the cars through. Max and lewis where both worthy champions elect and Max overtook Lewis on track to gain 1st place but not without Lewis being severly handicapped by the Race Directors decision.

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#2836167 21-Dec-2021 06:38

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FIA launches an investigation into how Masi engineered the transfer of trophy from almost winner Lewis Hamilton to the rightful winner Max Verstappen

Apparently according to a "report" (doesn't say who/what/where) Masi is likely to be sacked. so IF he does get sacked does it mean that he was wrong.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1535987/FIA-Michael-Masi-likely-to-lose-job-Lewis-Hamilton-Max-Verstappen-Abu-Dhabi-GP-F1-news

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#2836168 21-Dec-2021 06:43

insane: Trying to imagine what would have been said if all the lapped cars had been cleared and Max still won on the last lap. What would they had said then?

if there were enough laps, yes. but if you follow the wording of the F1 code, there were a few things that needed to be done. either let "any" (doesn't say all) lapped cars through or let none through. if you let "any" lapped cars through the SC need to do one more lap before coming in, not the same lap.

the race engineers plan their strategies based on this rule book.

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#2836169 21-Dec-2021 06:45

Benoire:

In my opinion, as a Lewis fan, I would have been fine with it but this was never going to be the case was it. You could see from the crash that it was going to take some time to clear up and that it was going to be either a restart with all cars in place or finish behind the safety car. The only way it would have been a different outcome would be for the crash to occur a lap or two earlier, in which case Mercedes response would have been a lot different as Lewis and his car where much faster than Max and his redbull and they would both have been on fresh tyres. Ultimately what we saw was the Race Director applying a rule in a manner not in accordance with the safety car restart procedures and contrary to a previous position where he publically stated he couldn't start it any earlier as he had to let all the cars through. Max and lewis where both worthy champions elect and Max overtook Lewis on track to gain 1st place but not without Lewis being severly handicapped by the Race Directors decision.

apparently the 2 teams had a meeting with Masi and apparently did talk about a late safety car scenario (heard it from one of the podcasts) and apparently it was discussed that the race would not end on a safety car. i don't know what they proposed after that because as we know now the wheel fell off the wagon with Toto and Christian (rightlfully batting for their teams) yelling at Masi the whole race causing Masi to do what he did with respect to what was discussed pre race.

if that were true, that they have actually discussed this very scenario, the only thing to do was for Masi to red flag the race. I'm not sure why that wasn't discussed, if they actually went to the length of all that, everybody had the question but nobody thought of the answer.

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#2836173 21-Dec-2021 07:12

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if there were enough laps, yes. but if you follow the wording of the F1 code, there were a few things that needed to be done. either let "any" (doesn't say all) lapped cars through or let none through. if you let "any" lapped cars through the SC need to do one more lap before coming in, not the same lap.

the race engineers plan their strategies based on this rule book.

Lewis lost the second MB took the gamble to not come in. They can't have known how long it would take to clear at that point, they had already made the decision to not come in for fresh rubber. Then the shoe would have been on the other foot and I doubt we'd see anywhere near the same level of complaining if Lewis overtook Max on fresh rubber after a hurried restart.

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#2836174 21-Dec-2021 07:14

Batman:

if that were true, that they have actually discussed this very scenario, the only thing to do was for Masi to red flag the race. I'm not sure why that wasn't discussed, if they actually went to the length of all that, everybody had the question but nobody thought of the answer.

Throwing a red flag for an incident that could be cleared under yellow would also have been intervening in the championship. There was no justification for a red flag.

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#2836186 21-Dec-2021 07:50

GV27:

Batman:

if there were enough laps, yes. but if you follow the wording of the F1 code, there were a few things that needed to be done. either let "any" (doesn't say all) lapped cars through or let none through. if you let "any" lapped cars through the SC need to do one more lap before coming in, not the same lap.

the race engineers plan their strategies based on this rule book.

Lewis lost the second MB took the gamble to not come in. They can't have known how long it would take to clear at that point, they had already made the decision to not come in for fresh rubber. Then the shoe would have been on the other foot and I doubt we'd see anywhere near the same level of complaining if Lewis overtook Max on fresh rubber after a hurried restart.

i think the issue from neutral people is that the goalposts seem to have been moved.

but apparently not according to this (below), apparently Masi had a right to do what he did, and ...

eh what do you know, apparently a red flag was proposed by KC but rejected https://www.carandbike.com/news/why-fia-race-director-michael-masi-didnt-red-flag-the-abu-dhabi-gp-after-latifi-crash-2650493

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#2836187 21-Dec-2021 07:51

GV27:

Batman:

if that were true, that they have actually discussed this very scenario, the only thing to do was for Masi to red flag the race. I'm not sure why that wasn't discussed, if they actually went to the length of all that, everybody had the question but nobody thought of the answer.

Throwing a red flag for an incident that could be cleared under yellow would also have been intervening in the championship. There was no justification for a red flag.

except that in Baku Masi gave a red flag just so he could restart the race and not have it end under a safety car https://racer.com/2021/06/07/masi-explains-red-flag-decision-in-baku/

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#2836194 21-Dec-2021 08:09

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except that in Baku Masi gave a red flag just so he could restart the race and not have it end under a safety car https://racer.com/2021/06/07/masi-explains-red-flag-decision-in-baku/

He says in that article that was a function of how much debris there was on the main straight.

Like I get Merc fans are pissed, but it seems some are more pissed that Masi didn't de-risk the situation for MB when MB put themselves in it when they elected not to come in and change tyres right away.

They were either banking on an SC finish or red flag which they couldn't have possibly known was going to happen when they made the decision not to pit. And it isn't Masi's job to protect them from the consequences of rolling the dice.

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#2836204 21-Dec-2021 08:51

In these situations if RB wins Merc is gonna be angry, if Merc wins RB are going to be angry. It must be the closest season ever. Sorry I don't have a memory like Vettel's so it's just a guess

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