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#2151064 27-Dec-2018 11:52

I guess we will say Boult was unreal. But he wasnt really, he was very very good, and accurate, but the SL batting was just woeful. Woeful is even a compliment. It was like watching a No. 11 face the last 6 wickets.

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#2151066 27-Dec-2018 11:56

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I guess we will say Boult was unreal. But he wasnt really, he was very very good, and accurate, but the SL batting was just woeful. Woeful is even a compliment. It was like watching a No. 11 face the last 6 wickets.

Fun to watch as a Blackcaps fan though. Glad I remembered to turn the telly on.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#2151067 27-Dec-2018 11:56

The last 4 was simply great bowling. Yes some poor batting...or in a couple of cases not even offering the bat! They are bowlers down there though.

Stunning figures for Boult this morning! And even if the batting isnt top class, you still have to bowl well to get LBWs like that.

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#2151070 27-Dec-2018 12:06

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The last 4 was simply great bowling. Yes some poor batting...or in a couple of cases not even offering the bat! They are bowlers down there though.

Stunning figures for Boult this morning! And even if the batting isnt top class, you still have to bowl well to get LBWs like that.

Exactly. Was fun to watch, but the batting hmm, well. Yes they are bowlers but we are talking 6 wickets. Watch the ball and watch it hit my leg! A long tail and a poor tail.

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#2151177 27-Dec-2018 16:23

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Its happens to all of them

Of course it does, its not something that you can see on his stats outside looking at his run graph and the 1-20 scores frequently. Im just saying from watching his tour and the year before, its the only thing hes missing, stopping the rot at 5, which are the innings he will get chances to score big. That is what you hope will happen if the top order fails with him at 5. He has one innings though I recall helped NZ out. So Im very much in his camp now and believe he will turn out some memorable game savers for NZ. :-)

Poor Jeet Raval, soooooo consistent at getting the shine off the ball but cant get that hundred. Im just happy we have settled on 2 openers now who both perform consistently, not at scoring big but taking the 15 over shine off the ball and protecting our best batsmen, however In hind site I wish Latham had got a triple ton seeing as Kane decided to bat on and on.

Trent Boult, insane, fasted 5fa in history, 5 wickets in 11 balls. 6 wickets in total :-).

If we bat to 350 we cant lose imo. but williamson will bat on to 450 at least or declare at stumps tommorrow. which will mean 2 days with boult and southee still swinging it and then Ajaz spinning it. I dont think the weather will rob us this time.

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#2151195 27-Dec-2018 17:19

Hagley is my fav ground. Not just because its gorgeous. Because its always green day 1 and turns to spin by day 5. And you get wicked swing IF CCH is humid which happens often around end of December. Its large, its got a carpet outfield, it sits a lot on grass or seats, my fav test venue. Les rain than Welli too ;-p

Back to the score, Styris and Leslie Murdoch backing me up saying you need to leave a carrot for the opposition, which is what we did in the UAE which was much better batting than Welli. If only we had bowled the whole Tea session, not sure why Kane would withdraw to setting near impossible total in Welli given they would have known day 5 was at best 50% play but likely a was out. Oh well, is the past. Conversely here given the forecast he can afford to bat through to end of play tomorrow, which will be 500+, if we cant bowl them out in 2 days Sri Lanka deserve a draw, but wont happen imo.

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#2151219 27-Dec-2018 18:34

Could see an early wicket tomorrow with the new ball after 1 over.

Which would be a situation where Nichols needs to deliver, which Im sure he will looking at that wicket, batsmans paradise.

If we do lose 2 however, Watling is really our backstop and has proven himself with records at doing it.

So, I cant see us scoring less than 380 all up even worse case scenario.

380 is getting up near records to win and I dont think they would score it even over 2.5 days, unless the heat expected on Friday turns up tomorrow and cuts the swing.

Feeling confident we will be #3 come end of day 4.

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#2151376 28-Dec-2018 11:24

I think even though Ross is how fast he scores in Test cricket, he plays 4-5 rpo, no messin about, with that average that is SR of .60 is epic.

Anyway, this is the type of situation I was talking about where Nichols needs to play to the end of the day, especially if Latham also goes. But more so situations like when we are 120/3 etc. He tends to excel on good pitches like this when we already have runs on the board, but lets say 3 got out on this pitch playing dumb shots, number 5 is there to stop the rot before it gets to the tail. However for NZ I think right NOW, we need to accept its Watling who does that.

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#2151382 28-Dec-2018 11:33

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I think even though Ross is how fast he scores in Test cricket, he plays 4-5 rpo, no messin about, with that average that is SR of .60 is epic.

Anyway, this is the type of situation I was talking about where Nichols needs to play to the end of the day, especially if Latham also goes. But more so situations like when we are 120/3 etc. He tends to excel on good pitches like this when we already have runs on the board, but lets say 3 got out on this pitch playing dumb shots, number 5 is there to stop the rot before it gets to the tail. However for NZ I think right NOW, we need to accept its Watling who does that.

ALL the batsmen are expected to perform. You cant have 3 top orders playing dumb shots then relying on No.5. if thats the issue then open with Watling and Nichols. 1,2,3 and 4 are expected to perform better for longer than 5 and 6. You can't see 5 and/or 6 as the rescuers, you need to deal to the problem, WHY is a rescue needed

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#2151385 28-Dec-2018 11:36

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where Nichols needs to play to the end of the day, especially if Latham also goes.

Just wrong. If the top order falters, its standard that later batsmen need to lower the run rate and hang around. Not to cast blame on the lower order batsmen for failing to do that, when the better top orders have also failed. You are looking at the wrong problem

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#2151403 28-Dec-2018 12:42

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Just wrong. If the top order falters, its standard that later batsmen need to lower the run rate and hang around. Not to cast blame on the lower order batsmen for failing to do that, when the better top orders have also failed. You are looking at the wrong problem

No thats wrong. That is 5 and 6s job, to resurrect a semi failure from the top batsmen in the team.

Its a team sport, yes they are individuals, but their is a reason for the batting order and its not just who is the best batsman, its who is the best at what. Which is why for example Latham who has far superior mental and physical strength than Nichols bats at 5 for us in the ODIs, he has amazing eyes. Ross Taylor scores fast hence hes 4 or 3. Williamson is a combination of Latham and Taylor, superior at offense and defense.

Lots of teams have 5s who save them in tests, Pak is one. They link with the keeper, then the tail to add 150+

Anyway, not going to argue a point i know is fact ;-p. Lets agree to disagree. I see your point, but there is a reason for position outside average.

My point is if Nichols learns how to focus like Latham, he will be in our team for his entire career and be over 40s and produce test saving innings.

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#2151405 28-Dec-2018 12:49

Tommy gun
Wearing the black cap, making it fat
Sensational opening batsman
Thats our Latham

;-p Hes just getting better and I personally think he will surpass John Wright in memorable stature as our best opener from NZ.

We really dont need a lot to make this team less traditional.

One is getting Colin back in form.

Another is to get Southee to train and apply himself with the bat like Sodhi has

The other would be to play Sodhi not Patel. Patel has great loop but Sodhi spins the ball sideways and Patel cant bat.

So if we went

Watling 38.5
Colin 30ish
Sodhi increases from 22 to 30
Southee increases from 17 to 25
Wagner
Boult

Our tail would be very healthy and we wouldnt need to rely on Nichols and Watling as much when the to order have brain explosions.

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#2151406 28-Dec-2018 12:51

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Just wrong. If the top order falters, its standard that later batsmen need to lower the run rate and hang around. Not to cast blame on the lower order batsmen for failing to do that, when the better top orders have also failed. You are looking at the wrong problem

No thats wrong. That is 5 and 6s job, to resurrect a semi failure from the top batsmen in the team.

Its a team sport, yes they are individuals, but their is a reason for the batting order and its not just who is the best batsman, its who is the best at what. Which is why for example Latham who has far superior mental and physical strength than Nichols bats at 5 for us in the ODIs, he has amazing eyes. Ross Taylor scores fast hence hes 4 or 3. Williamson is a combination of Latham and Taylor, superior at offense and defense.

Lots of teams have 5s who save them in tests, Pak is one. They link with the keeper, then the tail to add 150+

Anyway, not going to argue a point i know is fact ;-p. Lets agree to disagree. I see your point, but there is a reason for position outside average.

My point is if Nichols learns how to focus like Latham, he will be in our team for his entire career and be over 40s and produce test saving innings.

No. If the top order fails, then everyone has to make up for it, whether that be 6, 5 or 4. Its not Nichols role to fix what better batsmen have failed to do, especially where conditions make it hard for the top order, thats a tall order for a lesser batsmen

Its a team game, but you tend to focus on someone to blame and on anyone who doesnt meet your stats every game

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#2151407 28-Dec-2018 12:53

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Our tail would be very healthy and we wouldnt need to rely on Nichols and Watling as much when the to order have brain explosions.

Tut tut. Team game, remember that grasshopper.

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#2151412 28-Dec-2018 12:56

Latham opening up the shoulders here. His last double ton and this centure hes batting at 30ish SR, ie 1-2 runs an over, but his avg Sr is 45.2, which is typical of an opener, which means he must got from 2RPO to 4RPO at some stage, which will be fun in the next session, especially if Nichols sticks with them, I can see NZ upping the anti to ODI style and getting 250 from the final 2 sessions.

Lets not forget though, no matter what we score if we declare today, Sri Lanka could win, but you HAVE to play to win and dangle that carrot ala Mccullum style captaincy.

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