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#3304951 3-Nov-2024 18:58

Race prediction time. I did alright last weekend. I will ignore the weather initially.

Ferrari seem behind, so I see them behind McLaren and Max

Lando and Oscar are the strongest here but not by much. Max either out performed the car or the car is better. Arguably it was the strongest in the sprint race.

As Max has a 5 place penalty, Lando is first past the line, as in the sprint race (Not a win as such) Oscar 2nd.... Max 3rd.

Weather wise if its wet, Max does rock. He can win and Lando 2nd

Liam..... He should do well

All the above is no idea on quali.

Talk here of Colapinto and Red Bull. Last I watched its a no go as RBR dont want to waste time and money on a 1 or 2 year deal. When Checo is dropped after this race (my feel), bring in Hadjar. But a few YouTube clips tends to favour Colapinto going to VCARB and Liam partnering Max. Carlos Slim is a big funder, but when you fund a poor performer that runs thin after many whiles. Colapinto is not Mexican but he is South American, so thats what I see happening. A perfect scenario is all these money men agree that Liam partners Max, Colapinto parters Yuki. Or maybe Carlos Sainz partners Max and Liam and Colapinto do VCARB

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#3304955 3-Nov-2024 19:40

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Race prediction time. I did alright last weekend. I will ignore the weather initially.

Ferrari seem behind, so I see them behind McLaren and Max

Lando and Oscar are the strongest here but not by much. Max either out performed the car or the car is better. Arguably it was the strongest in the sprint race.

As Max has a 5 place penalty, Lando is first past the line, as in the sprint race (Not a win as such) Oscar 2nd.... Max 3rd.

Weather wise if its wet, Max does rock. He can win and Lando 2nd

Liam..... He should do well

All the above is no idea on quali.

Talk here of Colapinto and Red Bull. Last I watched its a no go as RBR dont want to waste time and money on a 1 or 2 year deal. When Checo is dropped after this race (my feel), bring in Hadjar. But a few YouTube clips tends to favour Colapinto going to VCARB and Liam partnering Max. Carlos Slim is a big funder, but when you fund a poor performer that runs thin after many whiles. Colapinto is not Mexican but he is South American, so thats what I see happening. A perfect scenario is all these money men agree that Liam partners Max, Colapinto parters Yuki. Or maybe Carlos Sainz partners Max and Liam and Colapinto do VCARB

Chances of rain is now predicted at 80% so this one is a crap shoot I think, especially if it rains during Qualifying or they can't get the quali session started at all. I think it will come down to who can keep it on the wet, slick, new tarmac and Verstappen is quite masterful at that. Pick him to be there somewhere on the podium but just too hard to know whether he will be joined by the form McLarens. Could be a completely random podium if there's a few crashes.

On the driver market, the latest rumour seems to be that Sainz moves to Red Bull despite already having the Williams gig. That supposedly is agreeable to Vowles as he can keep Colapinto and give him the vacant seat, then Lawson and Tsunoda stay at VCARB. Perez is gone, everybody wins. Does seem a long shot as Red Bull supposedly passed on Sainz earlier this year, but at that time they still had faith in Perez and Sainz has now shown pretty good form the whole season through. So, maybe it's a starter.

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#3304957 3-Nov-2024 19:47

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tdgeek:

Race prediction time. I did alright last weekend. I will ignore the weather initially.

Ferrari seem behind, so I see them behind McLaren and Max

Lando and Oscar are the strongest here but not by much. Max either out performed the car or the car is better. Arguably it was the strongest in the sprint race.

As Max has a 5 place penalty, Lando is first past the line, as in the sprint race (Not a win as such) Oscar 2nd.... Max 3rd.

Weather wise if its wet, Max does rock. He can win and Lando 2nd

Liam..... He should do well

All the above is no idea on quali.

Talk here of Colapinto and Red Bull. Last I watched its a no go as RBR dont want to waste time and money on a 1 or 2 year deal. When Checo is dropped after this race (my feel), bring in Hadjar. But a few YouTube clips tends to favour Colapinto going to VCARB and Liam partnering Max. Carlos Slim is a big funder, but when you fund a poor performer that runs thin after many whiles. Colapinto is not Mexican but he is South American, so thats what I see happening. A perfect scenario is all these money men agree that Liam partners Max, Colapinto parters Yuki. Or maybe Carlos Sainz partners Max and Liam and Colapinto do VCARB

Chances of rain is now predicted at 80% so this one is a crap shoot I think, especially if it rains during Qualifying or they can't get the quali session started at all. I think it will come down to who can keep it on the wet, slick, new tarmac and Verstappen is quite masterful at that. Pick him to be there somewhere on the podium but just too hard to know whether he will be joined by the form McLarens. Could be a completely random podium if there's a few crashes.

On the driver market, the latest rumour seems to be that Sainz moves to Red Bull despite already having the Williams gig. That supposedly is agreeable to Vowles as he can keep Colapinto and give him the vacant seat, then Lawson and Tsunoda stay at VCARB. Perez is gone, everybody wins. Does seem a long shot as Red Bull supposedly passed on Sainz earlier this year, but at that time they still had faith in Perez and Sainz has now shown pretty good form the whole season through. So, maybe it's a starter.

Agree with all that.

"but at that time they still had faith in Perez" RBR have been ruthless, Albon dumped, Gasly dumped. Both deserve to be on the grid. Checo has had wins and podiums, but Max win the 2023 Construcors by himself. Money talks but where does the Carlos Slim fund better the Constructors points and $ that have been bled for near on 2 years?? Bizarre. They would likely have cruised Constructors 2024 had Checo delivered.

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#3304958 3-Nov-2024 19:52

While I am a RBR fan via Mark Webber days, although they won 4 with a car that barely managed midfield in the speed traps, impressed by that. McLaren, great. Ferrari the iconic team. Its a great season. Yes I do feel that Max is awesome. He is. The young guns are just that so far

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#3305042 4-Nov-2024 01:16

What. A. Qualifying!

So much going on in that qualifying I have no idea where you start! Neither do a lot of the drivers I suspect 😂

Well done Lawson and VCARB in general.

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#3305049 4-Nov-2024 08:18

Wow. Lucky there is a break now because the whole circus must be shattered after that day!

What a quali and race. The whole thing was insane. I don't know where to start. i think I'll leave the spoilers for later suffice to say it was a day of twists and turns.

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#3305104 4-Nov-2024 08:56

Got up at 4-30am, Sky recording stopped after the last red flag in Q3, I assume there was mad dash that I missed?

Ok, so start the race recording, its started at lap 33 of 69, ugh. Im recording the replay so will watch the first 33 laps tonight

Yuki went well, from what I saw he had plenty of laps in between cars but saw some nice racing. Liam was under pressure a lot, always in some mix, kept in on track mainly, finished the race ahead of Checo. I'm still predicting that was Checo's last race

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#3305129 4-Nov-2024 10:35

I would have liked to see Tsunoda under that pressure but an Aussie put paid to that.

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#3305174 4-Nov-2024 13:41

That race was absolutely unreal. Just watched the F1TV race in 30, and while I'm sure there were plenty of moments missed, that 30 minutes was PACKED.

Credit where credit is due, Yuki SMASHED it out of the park with his driving early on. To hold p3 for as long as he did against the competition with such a difficult race. Well deserved round of applause to him.

Lawson and his battles holding off Checo and Hamilton was just fantastic. His defence into the Sennas against Checo was chefs kiss.

but Alpine! Good lord, what a drive from Ocon and Gasly and just great call to stay out before that red flag. Really awesome defense on their restart.

Biggest of all though. Verstappen starting from P17 with a huge climb all the way to P1? Calling it now, it'll be called one of the greatest drives in history. Dude was KILLING it.

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#3305283 4-Nov-2024 17:05

Karun said something along these lines. He doesn't need to push the rule envelope to the extent that he does (my words) he just needs to use his skills (his words)

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#3305300 4-Nov-2024 19:25

tdgeek:

Got up at 4-30am, Sky recording stopped after the last red flag in Q3, I assume there was mad dash that I missed?

Ok, so start the race recording, its started at lap 33 of 69, ugh. Im recording the replay so will watch the first 33 laps tonight

Yuki went well, from what I saw he had plenty of laps in between cars but saw some nice racing. Liam was under pressure a lot, always in some mix, kept in on track mainly, finished the race ahead of Checo. I'm still predicting that was Checo's last race

F1TV is worth it to avoid all that. And you can avoid having to listen to the Sky Sports commentary which has gotten quite bad imo over the last few years.

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#3305920 6-Nov-2024 15:51

Wow! what an unpredictable race!
Max going from 17 to win and in we weather certainly is great to watch. Interesting to see how easy it was for him to just pass..
Weird strategy from McLaren & Mercedes to call Lando and George in at the end of the VSC...that gave the Alpines their podiums..

I do have a question about the wet weather tyres...since they are never used as "it would be too dangerous to race", why bother having them?

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#3305926 6-Nov-2024 16:29

Jvipers2: Wow! what an unpredictable race!
Max going from 17 to win and in we weather certainly is great to watch. Interesting to see how easy it was for him to just pass..
Weird strategy from McLaren & Mercedes to call Lando and George in at the end of the VSC...that gave the Alpines their podiums..

I do have a question about the wet weather tyres...since they are never used as "it would be too dangerous to race", why bother having them?

The vcarb team put wets on both cars until the red flag and then they went back to intermediates, mind you they were the only team to do it and there were rivers on the track

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#3305934 6-Nov-2024 16:55

Jvipers2:

I do have a question about the wet weather tyres...since they are never used as "it would be too dangerous to race", why bother having them?

It may be that at that track with its level changes, the rivers were too much for wets. IIRC they re paving reduced the diamond cuts on at least one corner so that reduced drainage as well.

If it was a flattish track or one that had good runoff control, I assume wets would have been fine

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#3306656 7-Nov-2024 15:30

Fantastic race considering the conditions, Verstappen proving again that he's a master of wet weather driving. Thought that the Alpine's were 'lucky' to get the other two podium spots but they made the right calls at the right times and benefitted hugely from the way the race unfolded.

Similarly, thought the VCARB's were 'unlucky' with the way the race went. Moving to the full wets was probably the right play at that time and they were lapping five seconds faster than the rest of the field when the Red Flag came out. A few more laps on those tires and they could have been in the box seat to capitalize with a free change back to inters when the race stoppage came.

Lawson again did nothing to hurt his chances I feel. Thought he made it equally difficult to pass for both Verstappen and Perez, just the Dutchman is a better driver and found a way to get it done cleanly. Perez (and Hamilton) was unable to make the move, says it all. Horner was effusive in his praise of Lawson's drive even though Tsunoda finished higher. Think this is an example of 'Horner-speak', much like his words after Ricciardo's tire test last season, laying the groundwork for the removal of Perez at some point.

I see Jos Verstappen came out and said some positive things about Lawson as well. Not sure this does Lawson any favours given the hostility between Verstappen Snr and Horner. However, it points to where the Verstappen camp is at and I'm sure if Max tells Horner he's comfortable with the Kiwi moving up, that's one more nail in Perez's coffin.

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