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#1007172 17-Mar-2014 11:24

jonb: I think the continued pinging for 7 hours also discounts the theory that the plane landed intact somewhere, as presumably it would have kept on pinging.

With the current information would the most likely theory be that it ditched in the Indian Ocean. Hopefully Australia has some primary radar capability extending into that search area to prove or disprove the potential southern track, and India has some primary radar from Andaman Islands or the subcontinent to pick up a trace on the western track.

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Assuming it landed somewhere why would it keep pinging after the aircraft was shut down.

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#1007181 17-Mar-2014 11:34

tdgeek:
jonb: I think the continued pinging for 7 hours also discounts the theory that the plane landed intact somewhere, as presumably it would have kept on pinging.

With the current information would the most likely theory be that it carried along the southern arc, and ditched in the Indian Ocean. Hopefully Australia has some primary radar capability extending into that search area.

That seems the best theory, although just a theory. There will be debris, and spread over a wide area that they can reverse calculate based on the wind and currents in the last week and a half. They just need one piece of debris, or preferably a few to hone in.

jonb I see you've edited this part of your post, however it should be point out for other readers the aircraft was not following that arc. The arc just represents where the aircraft could have been at the time the ping was sent.

The location of debris will prove where the aircraft went. All that needs to be proven then is how/why did it end up there.?

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#1007201 17-Mar-2014 12:04

Various reporting sources including Reuters, Slate and The Borneo Post are quoting Air Vice Marshal Michael Harwood as saying:

Several nations will be embarrassed by how easy it is to trespass their airspace. Too many movies and Predator (unmanned military drone) feeds from Afghanistan have suckered people into thinking we know everything and see everything. You get what you pay for. And the world, by and large, does not pay.

The Reuters article seems especially poignant in expanding on this theme. So, there is a potential explanation for a large commercial craft to not be "seen" in the airspaces of various countries in the region. The big problem I have with thoughts of a controlled landing (or attempted) under hijack though, especially Uyghur involvement, is that no group has claimed made mention of hostages. Similarly no group is yet claiming responsibility for making the flight disappear.

Uyghur militants are said to have links to Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda's primary focus is said to remain with aircraft, and we've repeatedly seen that Al Qaeda like to make public statements. Even so we have bastions of truth such as The Mirror scare mongering about Uyghurs possibly being involved.

Some information that is yet to emerge is:

did either (or both) of the pilots have links to radical Islam
did any passengers have extensive 777 flight experience + links to radical Islam and/or Uyghurs

Into day 9 now - fascinating mystery, but extremely upsetting for families involved.

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#1007205 17-Mar-2014 12:17

Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

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#1007211 17-Mar-2014 12:27

Technofreak: Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

I think they were going to check both arcs, even thougb Indian Ocean was more likely. Possibly terrorist is up north, suicide is south?

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#1007212 17-Mar-2014 12:28

tdgeek:
Technofreak: Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

I think they were going to check both arcs, even thougb Indian Ocean was more likely. Possibly terrorist is up north, suicide is south?

Every other guess has been made, so has anyone checked they didn't land in NZ?

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#1007249 17-Mar-2014 13:18

networkn:
tdgeek:
Technofreak: Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

I think they were going to check both arcs, even thougb Indian Ocean was more likely. Possibly terrorist is up north, suicide is south?

Every other guess has been made, so has anyone checked they didn't land in NZ?

It wouldn't have had the fuel to get to nz. But could have reached Australia.

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#1007251 17-Mar-2014 13:19

mattwnz:
networkn:
tdgeek:
Technofreak: Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

I think they were going to check both arcs, even thougb Indian Ocean was more likely. Possibly terrorist is up north, suicide is south?

Every other guess has been made, so has anyone checked they didn't land in NZ?

It wouldn't have had the fuel to get to nz. But could have reached Australia.

Hi, yah I understand, I was more being a smarta** suggesting that since everywhere else in the universe has been suggested at this point, perhaps one more couldn't make the situation more confusing.

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#1007274 17-Mar-2014 13:35

networkn:
mattwnz:
networkn:
tdgeek:
Technofreak: Now this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220825

They're now looking at an area near Afghanistan or Pakistan

I think they were going to check both arcs, even thougb Indian Ocean was more likely. Possibly terrorist is up north, suicide is south?

Every other guess has been made, so has anyone checked they didn't land in NZ?

It wouldn't have had the fuel to get to nz. But could have reached Australia.

Hi, yah I understand, I was more being a smarta** suggesting that since everywhere else in the universe has been suggested at this point, perhaps one more couldn't make the situation more confusing.

From what I have read, experts now consider this a more planned event than 911, and that the plane could be in terrorists hands after flying under the radar into another country. Potentially that plane could now be used for an attack. If that is the case, I wonder how they will be treating the passengers. I just wonder why the pilot wasn't questioned about why they turned off the acap over the coast, which was well before the final voice transmission. That should have been a warning bell that something wasn't right. There are heaps of unanswered questions. I don't think the hijackers were aware the plane had pinged it's possible flight path, which has possibly changed their plans, and is also possibly why there haven't been any demands, if it did actually land somewhere . Their planning would have wanted people to think that it had crashed into the sea while it was on it's flight path. But now that we know that didn't happen, it has probably made it quite difficult for them.

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#1007279 17-Mar-2014 13:42

they want a 777 for an attack?

the only way it's going to work is if they can stealth it up so that air space patrollers cannot see them for hundreds of miles until it's too late.

someone tell me how a 777 is useful in its original condition?

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#1007280 17-Mar-2014 13:44

Check out the captain's home-made flight simulator:

Now that's quite a setup. Talk about "dedication to your job".

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#1007284 17-Mar-2014 13:48

joker97: they want a 777 for an attack?

the only way it's going to work is if they can stealth it up so that air space patrollers cannot see them for hundreds of miles until it's too late.

someone tell me how a 777 is useful in its original condition?

Even if they did manage to land it, they need a serious runway to ever get it airborne again - especially with a full load of fuel, those runways will all be known locations, and unless they also happened to have a shed nearby where they could hide the plane, I expect it would have been spotted by now.

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#1007287 17-Mar-2014 13:50

hard to read too much into it. it's like a ISP staff having 4g and remote desktoping at home.

or a racing driver having a fast car at home isn't it?

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#1007318 17-Mar-2014 13:59

Fred99: Check out the captain's home-made flight simulator:

Now that's quite a setup. Talk about "dedication to your job".

Hopefully the simulator has logs of where and how he's been "flying", although I guess it would be possible to securely erase them. Urgent job for forensic specialists.

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#1007319 17-Mar-2014 13:59

Fred99: Check out the captain's home-made flight simulator:

Now that's quite a setup. Talk about "dedication to your job".

Very cool sim. Not much can be read into it though. I know pilots that use flight sims at home.

This setup here is probably one reason his wife left him - never got to see him.

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