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#1965986 28-Feb-2018 16:18

AFAIK it's restricted to first home buyers only.

Labour's Kiwibuild site states:

KiwiBuild will deliver 100,000 affordable houses over ten years for first home buyers. Half of these will be built in Auckland.

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#1965996 28-Feb-2018 16:30

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AFAIK it's restricted to first home buyers only.

Labour's Kiwibuild site states:

KiwiBuild will deliver 100,000 affordable houses over ten years for first home buyers. Half of these will be built in Auckland.

You are right it also says:

KiwiBuild homes will only be sold to first home buyers. To avoid buyers reaping windfall gains, a condition of sale will require them to hand back any capital gain if sold on within 5 years

I agree with you- they will struggle to find 100,000 first home buyers who can afford houses. Especially when 50% of them will be built in Auckland. I would say they need to keep the price down around $400k. That's semi-realistic for apartments.

I think I got confused with Twyford saying it won't be means tested. I'll be interested to see if a ballot is needed.

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#1966034 28-Feb-2018 17:56

Geektastic: Another example of the lack of oversight and care spending public money that is in danger of becoming a feature of this government:

"A businessman investigated by the Serious Fraud Office over Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority (Cera) property deals is a shareholder in a new government-funded project.

Although Gerald Gallagher resigned as a director of Renew Energy in August last year, he remains a 26 per cent shareholder in the company, which last week got a $350,000 grant to investigate the feasibility of a waste-to-energy plant on the West Coast."

"But Gallagher's involvement appeared to blindside Jones who didn't know his background, when questioned by Radio New Zealand.

Jones was now seeking urgent advice from officials.

"I don't want to say anything about the individual until I've taken a legal briefing, for fear of myself being embroiled in legal action," he told RNZ.

A top-level investigation last April found Gallagher and former Renew director Murray Cleverley tried to use their positions for their own financial gain."

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Hey Geektastic, where's the follow up to this post?

The one about how Simon Bridges' government department ACTUALLY PAID this guy tens of thousands of dollars, which he strongly denied today and was proven wrong soon after.

The Labour government hasn't paid this guy a cent. What was that about lack of oversight?

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#1966062 28-Feb-2018 19:10

bmt:
Geektastic: Another example of the lack of oversight and care spending public money that is in danger of becoming a feature of this government:

"A businessman investigated by the Serious Fraud Office over Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority (Cera) property deals is a shareholder in a new government-funded project.

Although Gerald Gallagher resigned as a director of Renew Energy in August last year, he remains a 26 per cent shareholder in the company, which last week got a $350,000 grant to investigate the feasibility of a waste-to-energy plant on the West Coast."

"But Gallagher's involvement appeared to blindside Jones who didn't know his background, when questioned by Radio New Zealand.

Jones was now seeking urgent advice from officials.

"I don't want to say anything about the individual until I've taken a legal briefing, for fear of myself being embroiled in legal action," he told RNZ.

A top-level investigation last April found Gallagher and former Renew director Murray Cleverley tried to use their positions for their own financial gain."

Herald

Hey Geektastic, where's the follow up to this post?

The one about how Simon Bridges' government department ACTUALLY PAID this guy tens of thousands of dollars, which he strongly denied today and was proven wrong soon after.

The Labour government hasn't paid this guy a cent. What was that about lack of oversight?

No idea. I merely quoted the Herald. Haven't seen any follow up.

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#1966133 28-Feb-2018 20:57

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

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#1966182 28-Feb-2018 23:09

Looking good there, Winston...

"NZ First leader Winston Peters has agreed to drop his legal action and pay costs to former National Party leader Bill English and other former ministers over the leak of his superannuation overpayments.

Peters was taking legal action against English, Paula Bennett, Steven Joyce and Anne Tolley as well as two staff members while trying to uncover who leaked details of his superannuation overpayments to the media before last year's election.

It is understood Peters has now agreed to withdraw the legal action and pay some of the legal costs for the National Party MPs and staff - believed to be about $10,000."

Herald

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#1966185 28-Feb-2018 23:13

bmt:

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

Not so much

"The difference, besides the amount, is the fact that National's payments were for work done and approved before the SFO investigation."

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#1966311 1-Mar-2018 09:09

Geektastic:

bmt:

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

Not so much

"The difference, besides the amount, is the fact that National's payments were for work done and approved before the SFO investigation."

Do we really expect ministers (of whatever party) to know what undetected nefarious activity people they appoint to boards are up to? The level of scrutiny required to do that would be rather intrusive.

Mike

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#1966322 1-Mar-2018 09:32

Geektastic:

Looking good there, Winston...

"NZ First leader Winston Peters has agreed to drop his legal action and pay costs to former National Party leader Bill English and other former ministers over the leak of his superannuation overpayments.

Peters was taking legal action against English, Paula Bennett, Steven Joyce and Anne Tolley as well as two staff members while trying to uncover who leaked details of his superannuation overpayments to the media before last year's election.

It is understood Peters has now agreed to withdraw the legal action and pay some of the legal costs for the National Party MPs and staff - believed to be about $10,000."

Herald

No so fast...

Peters' lawyer Brian Henry told RNZ the case had not been settled. Any claims to that effect were "absolutely incorrect".

Stuff

...it's only the discovery phase that has been concluded.

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#1966547 1-Mar-2018 15:21

6FIEND:

Geektastic:

Looking good there, Winston...

"NZ First leader Winston Peters has agreed to drop his legal action and pay costs to former National Party leader Bill English and other former ministers over the leak of his superannuation overpayments.

Peters was taking legal action against English, Paula Bennett, Steven Joyce and Anne Tolley as well as two staff members while trying to uncover who leaked details of his superannuation overpayments to the media before last year's election.

It is understood Peters has now agreed to withdraw the legal action and pay some of the legal costs for the National Party MPs and staff - believed to be about $10,000."

Herald

No so fast...

Peters' lawyer Brian Henry told RNZ the case had not been settled. Any claims to that effect were "absolutely incorrect".

Stuff

...it's only the discovery phase that has been concluded.

Ah, so the two most, errrrr, 'reliable' news sources tell us different things....

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#1966549 1-Mar-2018 15:23

MikeAqua:

Geektastic:

bmt:

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

Not so much

"The difference, besides the amount, is the fact that National's payments were for work done and approved before the SFO investigation."

Do we really expect ministers (of whatever party) to know what undetected nefarious activity people they appoint to boards are up to? The level of scrutiny required to do that would be rather intrusive.

Obviously not. However in one case the SFO investigation had NOT taken place - ergo, no reason to suspect foul play - whereas in the other, the SFO investigation HAD taken place so due diligence might reasonably be expected to identify that.

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#1966691 1-Mar-2018 18:18

MikeAqua:

Geektastic:

bmt:

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

Not so much

"The difference, besides the amount, is the fact that National's payments were for work done and approved before the SFO investigation."

Do we really expect ministers (of whatever party) to know what undetected nefarious activity people they appoint to boards are up to? The level of scrutiny required to do that would be rather intrusive.

Ah so as long as he didn't know about it he's allowed to say that his ministry never made a payment?

So basically if I don't know about fact A and somebody asks me about it, I can claim with certainty it never happened (since I don't know about it).

Logic of a National voter eh.

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#1966754 1-Mar-2018 19:34

bmt:
MikeAqua:

Geektastic:

bmt:

He also revealed money had been paid to the company by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, an agency the new National Party leader Simon Bridges was responsible for when he was a minister in the previous government.

"Well the difficulty I've got is that money has already changed hands," Mr Jones said.

"Up to $50,000 has already been paid to this group and it was paid by Simon Bridges when he was Minister of Economic Development."

Whoops!

Not so much

"The difference, besides the amount, is the fact that National's payments were for work done and approved before the SFO investigation."

Do we really expect ministers (of whatever party) to know what undetected nefarious activity people they appoint to boards are up to? The level of scrutiny required to do that would be rather intrusive.

Ah so as long as he didn't know about it he's allowed to say that his ministry never made a payment?

So basically if I don't know about fact A and somebody asks me about it, I can claim with certainty it never happened (since I don't know about it).

Logic of a National voter eh.

Why would you know? Presumably the Serious Fraud Office don't publish their intentions.

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#1966892 2-Mar-2018 09:26

bmt:

Ah so as long as he didn't know about it he's allowed to say that his ministry never made a payment?

He made that comment to the best of his knowledge at the time. If he had no reason to believe it to be true, then I think that's a reasonable approach. Otherwise no-one ever answers any questions until they have done 100% of all the research.. Future interviews:

Do you know what happened in this situation

I am not 100% sure I'll get back to you.

Rinse and repeat.

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#1966898 2-Mar-2018 09:34

Ministry of Health has advised Medical practices they must contact 65-80 age group and encourage them to get the Shingles (I had previously mistyped Flu) Vaccine, and must provide them free of charge, but is NOT going to provide those practices with additional funds for the nurses and administrators time for doing this because they argue it can be administered as part of the Flu Vaccine.

So Labour is going to be seen by the average punter to have generously provided this for the betterment of the elders, without realizing, Labour has put the bulk of the cost onto the practices they get that treatment from.

Sounds reasonable.

There is more of these types of moves in the pipeline too. I'll share those as they are made public.

Secondly, last week JA was asked in an interview what she thought of Landlords putting rents up by $50 a week to match the $50 a week JA decided students needed.

JA's response: "Landlords should consider the morality of their decisions"

Is she kidding? I know she isn't, but seriously!?

Another two examples she has no idea how the real world actually works.

Perhaps if SOME of Labours caucus weren't all academics and career politicians they wouldn't keep handing out candy without considering the costs for real.

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