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#2462113 15-Apr-2020 19:12

freitasm:

Press release:

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The person who did this table (or perhaps it is me?) must have failed maths at school... as those numbers are only 10%.

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249839 49967 199872

This is applying the standard "remove cents" approach to rounddown to the whole number for the percentage off. All I can say is that is a n00b mistake whoever did it.

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#2462114 15-Apr-2020 19:15

BarTender:
The person who did this table (or perhaps it is me?) must have failed maths at school... as those numbers are only 10%.

471049 94209 376840

334734 66946 267788

296007 59201 236806

249839 49967 199872

This is applying the standard "remove cents" approach to rounddown to the whole number for the percentage off. All I can say is that is a n00b mistake whoever did it.

20% for 6 months is a 10% net cut

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#2462124 15-Apr-2020 19:46

Handle9:
BarTender:

The person who did this table (or perhaps it is me?) must have failed maths at school... as those numbers are only 10%.

471049 94209 376840

334734 66946 267788

296007 59201 236806

249839 49967 199872

This is applying the standard "remove cents" approach to rounddown to the whole number for the percentage off. All I can say is that is a n00b mistake whoever did it.

20% for 6 months is a 10% net cut

So say that it is a net cut of 10% adjusted over the year. As the remuneration authority for MPs runs from 1 July to 30 June then runs until the general election.

http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1977/0110/latest/whole.html#DLM16167

So the current wage runs until 30 June, then if anything is negotiated after that it applies until the day of the election.

I understand the spirit of the gesture as to be honest it really is a gesture since anyone on that wage should be able to absorb the drop and it will have no tangible impact on the governments books. Personally would have not had the table there at all.

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#2462139 15-Apr-2020 20:26

I have several thoughts on this, given my current personal situation and the fact we are three weeks into the lockdown. But I doubt they are considered politically acceptable on this forum.

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#2462251 16-Apr-2020 08:08

Given the current conditions I am surprised that the PM has taken so long to take a pay cut quiet frankly. It's only a virtue signaling pay cut and I can't help but think it comes as a knee jerk reaction after the pressure from other parties. 50% would have shown a little more solidarity for the real disadvantaged in our country! It would have been nice if the PM lead by example, instead of leaving it so long. She could have been giving 50% of her wages already to welfare, many small businesses have already take a 100% cut.

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#2462264 16-Apr-2020 08:56

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Given the current conditions I am surprised that the PM has taken so long to take a pay cut quiet frankly. It's only a virtue signaling pay cut and I can't help but think it comes as a knee jerk reaction after the pressure from other parties. 50% would have shown a little more solidarity for the real disadvantaged in our country! It would have been nice if the PM lead by example, instead of leaving it so long. She could have been giving 50% of her wages already to welfare, many small businesses have already take a 100% cut.

If there was true virtue signaling then Act and National would have cut their pay by 90% on the day of the lockdown, oddly enough only Act have only been pushing for it yesterday and National says "they may think about it"... Shouldn't leadership of purely token gestures come from the opposition who aren't running this thing?

Since spending any time on writing legislation for virtual signalling purposes is far more important than actually focusing on the crisis since we know having a few dozen CEOs having a haircut will put a dent in the billions being borrowed right now.

I personally couldn't care less if anyone in senior management takes a pay cut or doesn't right now, we need and have competent leaders across numerous ministries dealing with it. The last thing I want is a senior decision maker in Ministry of Health needing to ring their bank to get a mortgage holiday due to their pay being cut by 50% vs coordinating with DHBs to ensure contact tracing or vital supplied are shipped across the country.

What I care about is focusing on dealing with the crisis and managing the aftermath and transition out of L4, and that transcends political affiliation.

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#2462270 16-Apr-2020 09:13

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Shouldn't leadership of purely token gestures come from the opposition who aren't running this thing?

Got to disagree, leadership should come from government who should set the example for others to follow, not opposition.

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#2462274 16-Apr-2020 09:16

NumPy:

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Shouldn't leadership of purely token gestures come from the opposition who aren't running this thing?

Got to disagree, leadership should come from government who should set the example for others to follow, not opposition.

So spending time writing virtue signaling legislation that will have no tangible impact on the government debt is the most important thing to do right now in this crisis?

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#2463269 16-Apr-2020 09:37

I think that’s a different discussion. I am not arguing what is or is not important right now! I am arguing that leadership like this needs to come from government, not the opposition as you stated.

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#2463308 16-Apr-2020 10:55

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I think that’s a different discussion. I am not arguing what is or is not important right now! I am arguing that leadership like this needs to come from government, not the opposition as you stated.

You have an argument and are looking for a problem. The real issue is you dont like the current Govt, there is a thread for that.This is a public health thread

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#2463309 16-Apr-2020 10:58

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NumPy:

I think that’s a different discussion. I am not arguing what is or is not important right now! I am arguing that leadership like this needs to come from government, not the opposition as you stated.

You have an argument and are looking for a problem. The real issue is you dont like the current Govt, there is a thread for that.This is a public health thread

WOW no I don't. And where did I say I don't like the current goverment? This is not a public health thread. Its about different political parties views.

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#2463313 16-Apr-2020 11:22

NumPy:

tdgeek:

You have an argument and are looking for a problem. The real issue is you dont like the current Govt, there is a thread for that.This is a public health thread

WOW no I don't. And where did I say I don't like the current goverment? This is not a public health thread. Its about different political parties views.

Quoting BarTender above "What I care about is focusing on dealing with the crisis and managing the aftermath and transition out of L4, and that transcends political affiliation."

If you have bouquets or brickbats in regards to the health response, about any parties or MP's, then fill your boots. The criticism over a pay cut, which many CEO's have taken, and many more have not, seems to be a tangent comment. The pay cut, like the others are just token gestures. Not important in the greater scheme of things. Id hate to imagine how many hours the PM, DG, Grant Robertson and Simon Bridges are working right now. Its a get up at 5am, work, sleep at night job. 7 days a week

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#2463318 16-Apr-2020 11:29

Whoa. Read an article on The Guardian about the New Zealand government's response to COVID-19. The author makes it look like Putin is running this country...

The political system worked. But one of the ironies of putting the country into lockdown is we now have a system in which democracy is being debased. Civil liberties have been significantly curtailed, parliament adjourned, and the normal operations of the media are greatly restricted, meaning less public access to information.

That means the combination of civil society, media and the parliamentary system that normally keeps a check on government and authorities is now seriously weakened. This may be necessary given the dire threat posed by Covid-19, but it’s also dangerous for democracy and decision-making while the crisis is unresolved.

There were already serious democratic deficits in New Zealand – most notably, a concentration of political power, access for vested interests and a lack of public participation in politics. These have been accelerated.

Seriously, some people must be living in a different country.

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#2463335 16-Apr-2020 11:59

Concerning the Guardian article .

Commenting from a distance you get a lot of perception and much less reality , they can be wildly positive and wildly negative.
( Naturally unless they are following NZ closely over time they).

They probably had no idea of recent example where press asked why are you not putting a freeze on commercial rents.

Answer was without an operating parliament we can't pass new laws or change existing ones , so powers are limited by law.

Then you get the articles that Winston is new Donald Trump .

Oh by the way is Steven Joyce solidifying direction that National will continue to develop.

From Herald.

Former finance minister Steven Joyce says it is a "pie in the sky" fantasy to suggest New Zealand can eliminate Covid-19 and remaining in lockdown would cause "massive" economic damage.

Is that going to lead into the just let it wash over us ?

So the direction National will take into their campaign , of course by September its going to look very different .

We could be in Level 2 by then anyway, or even better

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#2463341 16-Apr-2020 12:09

freitasm:

Whoa. Read an article on The Guardian about the New Zealand government's response to COVID-19. The author makes it look like Putin is running this country...

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Seriously, some people must be living in a different country.

One of the things I have learned to do (now I'm quite a bit older than I was) is to look for the biases in any article. Always start with the author! In this case "Bryce Edwards". He seems to be quite anti labour at the best of times.

Also - with New Zealand it now seems that clicks is more important than well researched factual information. I think this is why we now get many more "inflammatory" headlines than we used to get (several years ago). Also...it seems that NZ media are even at the point they almost want to generate news - hence those crappy questions we get. Using the "holding the government to account" is a great excuse for these questions though - I really dont think they are.

TLDR: Need to write an article that goes against the current wave of articles we have had so I get more views

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