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  #2520730 10-Jul-2020 13:09
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Rikkitic:

 

The president can't do it, though. 

 

 

 

 

You say that like you think he cares, or that someone would enforce the law if he tried it.




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  #2520736 10-Jul-2020 13:19
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freitasm:

He can't sack a Supreme Court justice without creating a constitutional crisis as they are appointed for life. Also, even the ones appointed by Donald voted against him.

 

 

He can't sack them, but he can invent whatever he wants to use against them, alongside taking every controversial decision they've ever made and pointing out how it shows the Supremes are biased and wrong and bad. Anything involving civil rights, gay marriage, etc for starters. So he'll be asking his followers "will no-one rid me of these troublesome judges?".

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  #2520740 10-Jul-2020 13:25
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I bet sometimes Trump must feel as though the entire world is against him and his 40% share of followers who would vote for him.

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  #2520741 10-Jul-2020 13:27
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neb:
freitasm:

 

He can't sack a Supreme Court justice without creating a constitutional crisis as they are appointed for life. Also, even the ones appointed by Donald voted against him.

 

He can't sack them, but he can invent whatever he wants to use against them, alongside taking every controversial decision they've ever made and pointing out how it shows the Supremes are biased and wrong and bad. Anything involving civil rights, gay marriage, etc for starters. So he'll be asking his followers "will no-one rid me of these troublesome judges?".

 

 

Except that the votes against include people he put in there too... I know it never stopped him trying to throw his people under the bus, but just shows how stupid he is.




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  #2520742 10-Jul-2020 13:27
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quickymart:

 

I bet sometimes Trump must feel as though the entire world is against him and his 40% share of followers who would vote for him.

 

 

 

 

What, like, when he's not actively sundowning, you mean?




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  #2520743 10-Jul-2020 13:28
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Jesus, this guy is dumb as a door:

 

"For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!"

 




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  #2520746 10-Jul-2020 13:31
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freitasm:

 

Jesus, this guy is dumb as a door:

 

"For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!"

 

 

That is unkind to doors.

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  #2520748 10-Jul-2020 13:33
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freitasm:

Except that the votes against include people he put in there too... I know it never stopped him trying to throw his people under the bus, but just shows how stupid he is.

 

 

That just shows the evil influence of the Supreme Court, even his hand-picked henchmen are subverted by it. It's the Deep State! The Supreme Court must be brought into line! #somethingorother! #somethingelse! #MAGA!

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  #2520787 10-Jul-2020 14:05
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freitasm:

 

Jesus, this guy is dumb as a door

 



I agree 99% of the time, its the 1% of the time he is Genius. Its like one of those sports players who just keep hanging in there with a spurt of brilliance.

Did people watch that voting poll hacking doco on netflix?

 

Its no wonder they are so easily hacked, aside from using machines proven easily hackable 10 years ago and said to have been removed but have been found to be the main source of voting in some states in 2020. I start to think its not just Trump that is Dumb.

Half the problem with the US on almost every issue is each State Governor/Leader has WAY to much power which in times of crisis like a Pandemic. Yet despite them ignoring Trumps rules, they get no criminal or even civil trouble for doing it.

Yanks really are a weird breed. Probaly only 10% thought having a lockdown and sticking to it which would drop their R number to a figure which would naturally have he virus die off, was more important than 50% who seem to think doing something to saves possibly 1 million lives is not as important as their civil rights to freedom and will Rally in mass without masks etc to voice this. Its like they are just so  Disneyland Plastic they do not understand the importance of doing the only things known to drop the R number and doing it with national pride. Of course its a lot harder than little NZ, not comparing, just saying its their over all mentality of not being told what to do is more important than national safety that makes me think if WW2 scientists did not come to the USA they would still be picking corn by hand. Then there are the 30% who get it and will gladly sacrafice national economy and personal civil rights to save mass numbers of people. And finally the last 10% who just dont know so head to the internet to express their frustrations which are  led by their own indecisive ness.

I think NZ voting is similar numbers  but for vastly different reasons, ie National Baby Boomers voting No on something simply because something they were told 50 years ago which was complete propaganda still makes sense to them today, mostly because we are such a crazy small country that is completely isolated at the end of the world that people like these old Boomers do not bother looking at thwat is happening Globally and why. 


My point is, those who voted for Trump are clearly nuts, yet we have a demographic in our country, multiple ones, that are nuts for different reasons.

So I cant really blame the US for voting for Trump despite it being nuts to the 30% who didnt (or whatever the real number is), this is much like NZs public. We nearly had Bill English, the cause of Property Hyper Inflation, leading the country. We dodge a bullet there.

Either way, I cannot see Trump fooling even his most stupidly ignorant of voters this time, unless of course he some how turns a sudden vaccine cure into being "HIS" doing, which would not surprise me.

We blame the politicians, but the reality is they are just a mirror of a countries opinion, or NZs and the USA's case, sanity. I did like Jacinda at first, but wow Im so glad she some how got the job she did not want and we did not end up with a Moron like Trump (or English)

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  #2520791 10-Jul-2020 14:14
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TeaLeaf:

 

Either way, I cannot see Trump fooling even his most stupidly ignorant of voters this time, unless of course he some how turns a sudden vaccine cure into being "HIS" doing, which would not surprise me.

 

 

 

 

Trump has a 40% approval rating. It's been remarkably constant for the entire presidency. Sure, it moves up and down a bit, but rarely by more than the error bars (and then on the high side). Think about that: right now, after 130K preventable deaths, Donald Trump's approval is still 40%. I think you're wrong: his voters remain entirely as fooled as they have ever been.

 

To be fair though it is currently on a downward trend but we'll just have to see how far it goes.




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  #2520800 10-Jul-2020 14:45
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TeaLeaf:

 

Given how badly Covid was handled in the states (which I know is a hard job given the attitude of individuals towards their civil rights and individual governor in each state thinking differently), surely, even though he hasnt pressed any red buttons, its highly unlikely he will get another go at the Job?

 

 

Trump probably looks at US CDC data - and believes it's a clear sign he's winning:

 

 

 

That chart is too difficult for him to understand. Somebody would have to explain it to him.

 

 

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  #2520801 10-Jul-2020 14:46
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TeaLeaf: I cannot see Trump fooling even his most stupidly ignorant of voters this time,

 

 

He doesn't have to, all he needs to do is identify enough single-issue hot points for voters to ignore everything else about him. For example he's a serial adulterer but a large number of his supporters completely ignore that because he opposes gay marriage. In fact he may stand for everything else they despise, but as long as he opposes gay marriage they'll ignore that and vote for him. Ran into a (NZ) Trump supporter a few days ago who supports him because "he rounded up all the pedophiles", whatever that's supposed to mean. That hallucinatory fact is the only thing that counts, he can do whatever else he wants but they'd vote for him because he "rounded up all the pedophiles".

 

 

Same goes for any number of other issues, as long as he can back enough single-issue items, which he can because he chooses all the unpalatable ones that no-one else will touch, he won't lose his support base.

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  #2520805 10-Jul-2020 14:54
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He'll die before any of his financial misdeeds come home to roost.

 

It's whoever takes over the reins of his estate after he's dead that will be left holding the can/paying the fines and he doesn't give a s**t who it is, including his son, as long as it's not him. 

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  #2520818 10-Jul-2020 15:24
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SJB:

 

He'll die before any of his financial misdeeds come home to roost.

 

It's whoever takes over the reins of his estate after he's dead that will be left holding the can/paying the fines and he doesn't give a s**t who it is, including his son, as long as it's not him. 

 

 

He may leave it to his niece!!!!!

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  #2520903 10-Jul-2020 18:43
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neb:
TeaLeaf: I cannot see Trump fooling even his most stupidly ignorant of voters this time,
He doesn't have to, all he needs to do is identify enough single-issue hot points for voters to ignore everything else about him. For example he's a serial adulterer but a large number of his supporters completely ignore that because he opposes gay marriage. In fact he may stand for everything else they despise, but as long as he opposes gay marriage they'll ignore that and vote for him. Ran into a (NZ) Trump supporter a few days ago who supports him because "he rounded up all the pedophiles", whatever that's supposed to mean. That hallucinatory fact is the only thing that counts, he can do whatever else he wants but they'd vote for him because he "rounded up all the pedophiles". Same goes for any number of other issues, as long as he can back enough single-issue items, which he can because he chooses all the unpalatable ones that no-one else will touch, he won't lose his support base.

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that a sizeable portion of Republicans (it was either 60% or 80%) think he's doing a sterling job managing coronavirus. He could say anything he wanted to them and they would still come running. Having said that, he's done next-to-nothing to increase his base since he took office in 2016 - it's still pretty much the same, whereas most normal Presidents work to try and unite people behind a cause and bring them together.

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