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#2311014 5-Sep-2019 11:00

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Problem solved:

Government says it will now build just one really nice home

As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister Megan Woods says the number of houses to be built in the next 8 years has been “scaled back” from 100,000 affordable homes to just one really nice home.

(on a more serious note, rather than bickering about the inevitable result of a well-intended but ill-conceived failure , I'd love to see a concerted multi-partisan effort to sort out the ridiculous situation in NZ, where we've got about the most expensive building costs on the planet in real terms, even worse on multiple of median income terms, and pandering to vested interests everywhere who want to make sure it stays just how it is. Nobody wants to see house valuations drop, but that's probably an inevitable consequence of what probably needs to happen)

Makes too much sense. Labour wants to do too much National wants to do too little. They don't want to agree on anything. If somehow the extra houses needed started to happen,I doubt prices will drop, they will just be flat for a long while. If there was a drop, it only affects those that are forced to sell.

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#2311017 5-Sep-2019 11:01

tdgeek:

So you feel National could have built 100,000 over 10 years?

Transport transends both parties too.

I cant wait to see the policies from Labour and National for Sept 2020.

Pre fab wise, yes capital investment would be available, but the businesses would need to commit to finding the builds, and Im sure we can throw some marketing cash their way. It would be a good news story IMHO as you can sell it to the people easily. As its faster and modular, if demand can be created, Im sure we could import a workforce if need be, and I'm sure there may be a non skill labour component in those prefabs which may help unemployed and kids out of school

I feel like National could have rolled out Axis if they were serious about it, but they weren't. It was less ambitious but it was actually viable. Again, that urban planning reform would have been an issue sooner or later.

Moot point; they didn't get over the line, and haven't learned their lesson as to why.

It's terrifying to think that Simon Bridges could just come out today and say "We were wrong about housing and transport, here's what we want to do instead" and just commit to funding the Light Rail and rolling out Axis-style housing nation-wide and start moving his stuff into the 9th floor now.

But he won't. They're still idiots.

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#2311020 5-Sep-2019 11:09

tdgeek:

I cant wait to see the policies from Labour and National for Sept 2020.

I'm actually somewhat scared about what's coming - a low-fact overpackaged and under-nourishing goulash of fear and loathing presented by way of viral memes seems to be the deciding norm in other western democracies. Test the waters to see what stirs up the emotions of the hoopleheads, and only then decide what policies should be.

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#2311023 5-Sep-2019 11:19

Fred99:

tdgeek:

I cant wait to see the policies from Labour and National for Sept 2020.

I'm actually somewhat scared about what's coming - a low-fact overpackaged and under-nourishing goulash of fear and loathing presented by way of viral memes seems to be the deciding norm in other western democracies. Test the waters to see what stirs up the emotions of the hoopleheads, and only then decide what policies should be.

A cynic might suggest the total lack of meaningful critique of Kiwibuild in the last few campaigns shows we're already there.

I'm now more firmly of the opinion we'll get a lurch to where people think their supporters are, which will actually end up being away from the centre.

2005 all over again. I'm not 100% that Labour will write off student loan balances yet, but I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

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#2311026 5-Sep-2019 11:24

Fred99:

tdgeek:

I cant wait to see the policies from Labour and National for Sept 2020.

I'm actually somewhat scared about what's coming - a low-fact overpackaged and under-nourishing goulash of fear and loathing presented by way of viral memes seems to be the deciding norm in other western democracies. Test the waters to see what stirs up the emotions of the hoopleheads, and only then decide what policies should be.

Overseas is surely crazy. here, in a funny way, the Labour Govt, may indirectly changeup the electioneering. There has been far more interest by the public in policies than is usually the case. The people are far more aware of shortcomings in NZ, its continual media coverage. So, Sept 2020. Labour must learn that they need to have policies they know they can carry out, and prove it. National, who prefers to be as policy free as possible needs to own issues that are affecting NZers.

Perhaps lazy smiles and kissing babies instead of details wont cut it anymore.

Then there is the next GFC....

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#2311029 5-Sep-2019 11:28

GV27:

2005 all over again. I'm not 100% that Labour will write off student loan balances yet, but I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Be good, lots of fix up policies to deal to everything, plus big tax cuts as well, awesome!

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#2311033 5-Sep-2019 11:41

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I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

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#2311063 5-Sep-2019 12:02

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GV27:

I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

I don't know if Labour can stay under the debt levels and offer tax cuts. They've been saved by not having to fund a lot of what they promised by virtue of struggling to get any traction delivering it. You'd have to be reaching to say that that's suddenly a feature, not a bug.

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#2311072 5-Sep-2019 12:16

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Fred99:

GV27:

I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

I don't know if Labour can stay under the debt levels and offer tax cuts. They've been saved by not having to fund a lot of what they promised by virtue of struggling to get any traction delivering it. You'd have to be reaching to say that that's suddenly a feature, not a bug.

They have had surpluses. There was a BIG surplus, but it wasnt a big surplus that was funding not yet spent. So the net surpluses are still fine

But National? They will I assume have a raft of policies that will fix everything, AND will have huge tax cuts? Im not sure they will be allowed to keep funding to a minimum, let the market run everything, then give away tax. Until the areas of concern are under control we cannot afford tax cuts. Plus as interest rates are low, we cannot use that in a GFC to kickstart the economy. Talk about stewardship....

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#2311153 5-Sep-2019 13:00

tdgeek:

But National? They will I assume have a raft of policies that will fix everything, AND will have huge tax cuts? Im not sure they will be allowed to keep funding to a minimum, let the market run everything, then give away tax. Until the areas of concern are under control we cannot afford tax cuts. Plus as interest rates are low, we cannot use that in a GFC to kickstart the economy. Talk about stewardship....

Like I said, they're idiots.

As for the 'surplus' - I can't wait to ride this Mt Roskill Light Rail we were promised would be built in four years two years ago.

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#2311173 5-Sep-2019 13:41

tdgeek:

GV27:

Fred99:

GV27:

I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

I don't know if Labour can stay under the debt levels and offer tax cuts. They've been saved by not having to fund a lot of what they promised by virtue of struggling to get any traction delivering it. You'd have to be reaching to say that that's suddenly a feature, not a bug.

They have had surpluses. There was a BIG surplus, but it wasnt a big surplus that was funding not yet spent. So the net surpluses are still fine

But National? They will I assume have a raft of policies that will fix everything, AND will have huge tax cuts? Im not sure they will be allowed to keep funding to a minimum, let the market run everything, then give away tax. Until the areas of concern are under control we cannot afford tax cuts. Plus as interest rates are low, we cannot use that in a GFC to kickstart the economy. Talk about stewardship....

Can't quite believe what I am reading considering so many broken promises from the last election from this government. It is a staggering amount of broken promises and failed policies. I don't always agree with Nationals policies, but they do tend to promise less but deliver most of them. As far as tax cuts go, NZers are well overdue for tax cuts considering the huge amount of tax creep that has occurred over the last decade(ie the large number of taxpayers that are now in the top tax bracket due to wage and salary increases over the years).

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#2311184 5-Sep-2019 13:53

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Can't quite believe what I am reading considering so many broken promises from the last election from this government. It is a staggering amount of broken promises and failed policies. I don't always agree with Nationals policies, but they do tend to promise less but deliver most of them. As far as tax cuts go, NZers are well overdue for tax cuts considering the huge amount of tax creep that has occurred over the last decade(ie the large number of taxpayers that are now in the top tax bracket due to wage and salary increases over the years).

Broken promises or doing nothing? Both are evils

How do you fix tax creep ? Tax rates, not tax cuts. Should be obvious why

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#2311434 5-Sep-2019 19:23

This will go down like a lead balloon

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/115557352/government-to-get-tough-on-farming-and-councils-by-regulating-for-water

Climate Change and cleaning up so called Green NZ will cause conflict, it will be ongoing. What do you do? Og nice it and add more filth, or clean it up and swim in rivers, and have a healthy water eco system back?

No wrong or right answer, but I;d hope we go the clean way, and innovate the farming sector where we can.

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#2311595 6-Sep-2019 09:05

Fred99:

GV27:

I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

I for one do not want tax a tax cut. I want a good education system, an excellent health system, access to leading edge pharmaceuticals. I want our infrastructure to be modernised, roads, rail, public transport.

These things take money, $20 a week extra to me will do nothing, but times that by 2 Million people and $40 Million a week will do a LOT.

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#2311606 6-Sep-2019 09:32

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I for one do not want tax a tax cut. I want a good education system, an excellent health system, access to leading edge pharmaceuticals. I want our infrastructure to be modernised, roads, rail, public transport.

These things take money, $20 a week extra to me will do nothing, but times that by 2 Million people and $40 Million a week will do a LOT.

Quoted for truth. Excellent post!

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