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#1992453 10-Apr-2018 02:19

Pumpedd:
It is true that the last government gave vastly more (in %GDP terms) to health than Labour ever has and what is clear Labour seems intent on not changing that. Lucky lucky students.

Curious as to why students in particular benefit from more health spending. Are you referring to medical students in particular?

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#1992518 10-Apr-2018 09:02

Some are predicting a not so good budget from the Coalition. It seems to me that when ever Labour is in Government things always start as gloomy and bad. I swear they need to get repeats for their antidepressants.

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#1992526 10-Apr-2018 09:14

MikeB4:

Some are predicting a not so good budget from the Coalition. It seems to me that when ever Labour is in Government things always start as gloomy and bad. I swear they need to get repeats for their antidepressants.

If things are so gloomy why was so much spending done in the first 3 months of their term outside of budget. The 4 billion given to Jones to spend among his friends seems almost criminal with the books as gloomy as Adern is predicting.

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#1992543 10-Apr-2018 09:40

Pumpedd:

It is true that the last government gave vastly more (in %GDP terms) to health than Labour ever has and what is clear Labour seems intent on not changing that. Lucky lucky students.

Actually, in %GDP terms, I believe that the Health funding dropped.

ie. The Health Budget grew in absolute terms. (And in "adjusted for inflation" and "population growth" terms) ...but the Economy as a whole grew at a faster rate.

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#1992544 10-Apr-2018 09:40

Pumpedd:
MikeB4:

Some are predicting a not so good budget from the Coalition. It seems to me that when ever Labour is in Government things always start as gloomy and bad. I swear they need to get repeats for their antidepressants.

If things are so gloomy why was so much spending done in the first 3 months of their term outside of budget. The 4 billion given to Jones to spend among his friends seems almost criminal with the books as gloomy as Adern is predicting.

Regional development is very important and so often neglected. Developing the regions will take pressure off the urban centres.

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#1992546 10-Apr-2018 09:43

MikeB4:

Some are predicting a not so good budget from the Coalition. It seems to me that when ever Labour is in Government things always start as gloomy and bad. I swear they need to get repeats for their antidepressants.

Funniest thing I read about this today...

@Mike_Smith_NZ:

So, let me get this right, pre-election National say that there is a shortfall in Labour's budget. Which Labour deny... Post election Labour say, "We have a shortfall in our budget, and it's National's fault" - facepalm

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#1992550 10-Apr-2018 09:48

Is that opinion or fact?

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#1992560 10-Apr-2018 10:00

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gzt: Where to look for these rumors?

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=jacinda+ardern+rumors

Nope ; )

Firstly, look at the bolded statement above, rather than the PM herself.

Beyond that, it's not the kind of thing that you're likely to find on Google anyway... Some of it may be subject to name suppression, and some of it may be pure fabrication, so I'm not going perpetuate any of that here. But, again, despite my opinion of Ardern's suitability for her role and her performance to date - I hope that none of it is true.

Name suppression you say?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11768598

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#1992564 10-Apr-2018 10:04

6FIEND:

MikeB4:

Some are predicting a not so good budget from the Coalition. It seems to me that when ever Labour is in Government things always start as gloomy and bad. I swear they need to get repeats for their antidepressants.

Funniest thing I read about this today...

@Mike_Smith_NZ:

So, let me get this right, pre-election National say that there is a shortfall in Labour's budget. Which Labour deny... Post election Labour say, "We have a shortfall in our budget, and it's National's fault" - facepalm

Robertson himself said National left the books in good order.. lol

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#1992565 10-Apr-2018 10:06

6FIEND:

Pumpedd:

It is true that the last government gave vastly more (in %GDP terms) to health than Labour ever has and what is clear Labour seems intent on not changing that. Lucky lucky students.

Actually, in %GDP terms, I believe that the Health funding dropped.

ie. The Health Budget grew in absolute terms. (And in "adjusted for inflation" and "population growth" terms) ...but the Economy as a whole grew at a faster rate.

...and? Heaven forbid the rest of the economy grow faster than the Government's ability to spend money.

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#1992567 10-Apr-2018 10:16

Rikkitic:

6FIEND:

Short summary:
FACTS: The Health budget steadily increased year-on-year under the last National Government. It increased (in inflation-adjusted terms) beyond what Labour funded it at a rate higher than the population growth that NZ experienced.
OPINIONS: It's not enough to do everything that we want to do. (from Healthcare advocates, lobbyists, and Unions.)

Okay, I give up. You win. Even if I could find more facts that would satisfy you, which I'm certain I could with some effort, I have no doubt you could find bigger and better ones to dispute them. In any case, I don't disagree with your conclusion. It will never be enough to do everything we want. So we have the answer. Now if I could only remember the question. Maybe I should ask Deep Thought.

Well done on your position change. I have respect for someone who feels strongly about a situation but is prepared to take proof into account and move from that position.

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#1992587 10-Apr-2018 10:19

...and - I like accuracy. That's all :-)

If you use false claims to make a good argument, you will lose when the falsehood is revealed. (irrespective of whether your overall point was correct)

And @Rikkitic - that was opinion. Facts are very rarely that amusing :-)

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#1992590 10-Apr-2018 10:24

It doesn't matter how much JA says the spending at the start of their tenure wasn't the reason for the poor budget, the facts are that :

1) If you haven't been in power for a long time and don't have a complete grasp of the books you take a cautious approach to spending

1a) You don't over promise and under deliver as it makes you look vulnerable and not well structured to lead the country.

2) You don't spend money you aren't sure if you don't have it.

The better approach would have been to look at the situation when you come in and THEN hand out lollies.

Labour has once again, proven themselves unfit to lead.

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#1992600 10-Apr-2018 10:36

The thing is, I think we all agree that health care is important, that it has been underfunded, and that it needs more money. The arguments always seem to come back to a tit for tat they did this or they didn't do that. I am very disappointed that Jacinda Ardern seems to be resorting to the old ploy of claiming to have inherited a bigger mess than expected from the previous government, so it is all somebody else's fault. This is just more of the same old same old, another politician behaving like a politician. I applauded the formation of this government because I was hoping for something new and fresh and different. I continue to do so. There is still time.

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#1992601 10-Apr-2018 10:39

Rikkitic:

The thing is, I think we all agree that health care is important, that it has been underfunded, and that it needs more money. The arguments always seem to come back to a tit for tat they did this or they didn't do that. I am very disappointed that Jacinda Ardern seems to be resorting to the old ploy of claiming to have inherited a bigger mess than expected from the previous government, so it is all somebody else's fault. This is just more of the same old same old, another politician behaving like a politician. I applauded the formation of this government because I was hoping for something new and fresh and different. I continue to do so. There is still time.

My grandfather always taught me this: Start how you intend to continue.

I am sorry to say, but you will be disappointed in this Government, they have shown what they are capable of. It would take some massive turnaround for them now. It would take some pretty amazing Leadership, and I have yet to see JA show ANY.

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