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#1671620 15-Nov-2016 23:29

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freitasm:

Family in politics always reek of nepotism. Not good, regardless of qualifications.

That applies to family in most spheres of life e.g. business, not just politics.

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#1671626 15-Nov-2016 23:55

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Yes - it's shaping up much worse than some people think.

"I think that's excellent," former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke told CNN's KFile. "I think that anyone that helps complete the program and the policies that President-elect Trump has developed during the campaign is a very good thing, obviously. So it's good to see that he's sticking to the issues and the ideas that he proposed as a candidate. Now he's president-elect and he's sticking to it and he's reaffirming those issues."

He was talking about fellow white supremacist and Trump's Chief Strategist Steve Bannon.

Guiliani probably as Secretary of State - even The American Conservative journal portrayed him as a Nazi - which is a hell of a feat. Forget 1990s Guiliani "fixing crime in NY" - he is not the same man now. If he's in, then presumably Palin too. Curiously enough, as she's such a moron she might be one of Trump's less worrying cronies - she's going to be Secretary of the Interior, apparently.
To dismantle the EPA, it looks like that's going to be headed by Myron Ebell - who's been on the payroll of the oil companies to run campaigns doubting climate science. Before that lucrative career, he was on the payroll of Tobacco companies campaigning against restricting advertising cigarette smoking to teenagers.
Wall Street is going to be "deregulated". God save America.

So, the megalomaniac, crook, xenophobe, racist, misogynist, isolationist - and dare I say it - fascist leader-elect of the free world assembles his team.

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#1671633 16-Nov-2016 00:20

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Recent comments from Trump:

"On undocumented immigrants, Trump said on "60 Minutes" that his administration will "get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million. We are getting them out of our country, or we are going to incarcerate. But we're getting them out of our country; they're here illegally.""

USA has a interesting system of immigration detention centres. Every now and then they pick up an American citizen who cannot prove it immediately and they remain detained without family visits or legal representation for months.

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#1671634 16-Nov-2016 00:24

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HRC using the word 'deplorables' to describe half of Trump's supporters might be the one word that motivated a whole lot of people in the rust belt states to get out and vote.

Trump's team turned this back on her brilliantly by making a 'Les Miserables' 'Les Deplorables' video which was shown at more than one of his rallies in following days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWfKIaVRvM

Amazing that such an experienced politician could make such a stupid mistake. However, as Michael Moore says Hillary was a really bad candidate for so many reasons.

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#1671645 16-Nov-2016 02:37

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Coming in 2017:

The White House will be re-branded The Trump House
The lawns will be turned into an exclusive golf course.
The building will be turned into a casino.

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#1671654 16-Nov-2016 06:11

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I am more looking forwards to finally knowing all the darkest secrets in history. We may even finally know where the aliens are kept.

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#1671657 16-Nov-2016 06:31

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joker97: He said what he said to get to where he is. Means nothing to me. Did show the world what kind of person he is. But he was an open book. Or so the Americans were led to believe.

What he's going to do next, not even he knows.

Yes he did say what he said to get where he is. Now that's where I have a problem, as many of those things that he said were very similar to the things that Hitler was saying, inciting xenophobic sentiment, negatively stereotyping entire classes, races and cultures, promoting economic isolationism, and promising "action" on those issues to "Make America Great Again".

Remove those "promises" from his campaign, and what are you left with? A tycoon playboy dirty_old_man with a gold-plated 757 and a history of not being very nice to people.

So I presume we do know what the people voted for?

Even forgetting the racist xenophobic crap, look at something a little more pragmatic and business orientated - some are heralding Trump's wealth as an indication that he's a "good businessman". He's promised to renege on a whole bunch of agreements that the US has made with other nations. If he carries through with those threats to tear up contracts, how would you feel about negotiating any future agreement with the US? I suggest that the effect would be considerable loss of trust. Compare that to a deal you've got with your bank for a mortgage, if they screwed up the contract and threw it on the floor even if it was their "right" to do so - would you deal with them again when you wanted a credit card or place to put a term deposit? Or if they merely wanted to "renegotiate" the contract, then would you willingly and happily sign another contract that was changed - to help "Make The Bank Great Again"? I expect you might - but only if a gun was held to your head. Ooops.

Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises, or becomes defacto fuhrer and forces the rest of the world (and his own nation) to do what he tells them to do. That method of management is very effective when running casinos, apparently, but it's not going to work for a president trying to run a country and to maintain international relations.

Yes and here in lies the problem, history is repeating itself.

If you read about Nazi Germany before Hitler invaded Poland the capital works were amazing the Autobahn for one, plus all the other works, he certainly made Germany Great. I found a mention of some "facts" about Hitler please see my disclaimer below.

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

This, while not entirely correct, and if this link needs to be removed please let me know, it is not here to offend, it is here to illustrate that Hitler did a lot of good for Germany amongst the horrific deeds he did to the Jews, Mentally ill and other minority groups.

Trump may be back flipping on his promises, and this may see the right wing quite angry at him, if we see Trump assassinated don't see this as a positive, instead see it as our generations Archduke Ferdinand moment and prepare for a world war.

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#1671664 16-Nov-2016 07:30

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It is hard to find much that is good about the election of Trump. And as far as Germany goes, it didn't look so 'great' in 1945, so I'm not sure where that argument is supposed to lead.

Maybe Trump will make such a mess of things that there will be a radical swing back at the next election and everyone will move on and it will all turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Or maybe he will go too far early on and the checks and balances will kick in and he will be neutralised one way or the other.

One can only hope. I wonder what it felt like, sitting at a Berlin café in 1933.

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#1671692 16-Nov-2016 09:10

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I get it now. Instead of comparing Trump to National-Socialist Hitler, Trump should be compared to National-Fascist Benito Mussolini.

A buffoon, inept person who was ultimately manipulated by the Nazi Hitler figure.

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#1671766 16-Nov-2016 09:41

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Rikkitic:

Maybe Trump will make such a mess of things that there will be a radical swing back at the next election and everyone will move on and it will all turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

Ha ha yes..
And takes everyone in his coterie down in flames with him.. from Palin, Gingrich and Guiliani, to Bannon, Ebell and Mnuchin. Maybe even David Duke..
At least any of them that remain after the Stalinist purges that'll ensue as he tries to assign blame for the inevitable policy failures.. or haven't already managed to slink away.

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#1671929 16-Nov-2016 12:38

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Dickytim: Trump may be back flipping on his promises, [snip]

I don't see any signs that Trump is back flipping on anything.

If there are differences in practice between his election pitch and his policies - I expect him to cover it with ranting.

In the realms of immigration and international relations that could be very dangerous and compromise the safety of travelers and workers.

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#1671936 16-Nov-2016 12:46

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amiga500:

HRC using the word 'deplorables' to describe half of Trump's supporters might be the one word that motivated a whole lot of people in the rust belt states to get out and vote.

Yes I agree.

Hillary was pilloried for telling something mainly the truth, at the same time Trump was deified by the true deplorables for consistently telling lies.

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#1672022 16-Nov-2016 13:33

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dickytim:

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

This, while not entirely correct, and if this link needs to be removed please let me know, it is not here to offend, it is here to illustrate that Hitler did a lot of good for Germany amongst the horrific deeds he did to the Jews, Mentally ill and other minority groups.

Trump may be back flipping on his promises, and this may see the right wing quite angry at him, if we see Trump assassinated don't see this as a positive, instead see it as our generations Archduke Ferdinand moment and prepare for a world war.

You don't need to remove the link - as far as know, that's all true. MF has kindly removed the "Godwin's" rule for this thread. It's not coming up in every post - and people are making reasonable comparisons IMO.

Hitler was widely admired from outside Germany by many for his achievements. Anti-semitism was quite normal/accepted globally, hence Hitler's behaviour was tolerated.

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#1672096 16-Nov-2016 14:31

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To date, AFAIK, Trump has done very little that would cause him to be compared to either Mussolini or the other guy.

FFS he has not even sat behind the Oval Office desk yet, much less done anything.

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#1672110 16-Nov-2016 14:42

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Geektastic:

To date, AFAIK, Trump has done very little that would cause him to be compared to either Mussolini or the other guy.

FFS he has not even sat behind the Oval Office desk yet, much less done anything.

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