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#2000458 21-Apr-2018 21:12

Aredwood: How will that help Maoris who are not affiliated with an IWI? Or other groups such as Pacific islanders? As they seem to be affected by the same poverty and other issues that Maori face.

By creating employment eg Whale Watch Kaikoura

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2000459 21-Apr-2018 21:15

Aredwood:

And you will soon be paying more in rates. As Labour intend to give councils more mandate to spend waste your rates money on non essential things that should be the sole responsibility of central government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103240244/councils-set-to-get-mandate-to-spend-on-nice-to-haves

Not exactly a balanced unbiased contributed piece.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2000476 21-Apr-2018 22:16

Aredwood:

And you will soon be paying more in rates. As Labour intend to give councils more mandate to spend waste your rates money on non essential things that should be the sole responsibility of central government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103240244/councils-set-to-get-mandate-to-spend-on-nice-to-haves

Lord. Most of the incompetents who staff those bodies ought not to be let anywhere near public money - certainly, they should not be handed more of it.

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#2000507 22-Apr-2018 07:22

This appears to be the Labour job-creation scheme right here.

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#2000531 22-Apr-2018 09:50

Labour have discovered the truth of an old military maxim:

No plan survives first contact with the enemy.

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#2000542 22-Apr-2018 11:04

Reciprocity: This appears to be the Labour job-creation scheme right here.

I work in a global company where decisions have wide ranging and at times devastating impacts on various parts of the business, company and communities where we are situated. Not entirely unlike government decision making.

Every single one of our decisions requires that we gather the right subject matter experts, stake holders and other interested parties, produce the correct amount of documentation to allow decision makers to make the right call. Our shares are rising rapidly and our business is growing at a controllable rate, average pay rise across the New Zealand employees in 2017 was near 15%. We have evolved into this model because making top down decisions based on the wit, guile and a twinkle in the eye, has largely failed in our business. Indeed, we have ruthlessly culled many of our competitors that held onto this outdated business model.

I am not saying there is a direct parallel between our targeted engagement model and the central government reviews/committees, but I am not surprised to see a (supposedly progressive) government trying it's best to mimic success.

Everything is much more complicated now, you must be smarter, the world in which Trump lives has reached it's expiry date. It's no longer possible to have a couple of smart and/or handsome people sitting at the top making decisions, based on history or gut feeling. You need research and due diligence to successfully make ongoing good decisions.

I have not voted Labour in the past two decades.

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#2000818 22-Apr-2018 21:49

And just to finish off a good weekend with some light reading:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12035888

(handy hint: never take anything you read or hear in the media too seriously...)

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#2000888 23-Apr-2018 08:46

Oops

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#2000889 23-Apr-2018 08:48

rjt123: And just to finish off a good weekend with some light reading:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12035888

(handy hint: never take anything you read or hear in the media too seriously...)

Firstly, the NZ Herald has truly reached the 'Shabby Little Tabloid' status, particularly on a Sunday. But the signals are that Ardern's honeymoon period is over. She will need to learn to fend off the brickbats while accepting the bouquets.
DuPlesis-Allen's commentary draws a pretty long bow, but the comparison of immigration policies is a valid one. The parallels with current US (Trump) policy will be what rankles.
When the "Don't attack a pregnant woman" calls start, it will be time for her to stand aside temporarily and let Winnie finally take the chair he has always believed was his (IMO).

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#2000899 23-Apr-2018 09:19

dwilson:

Reciprocity: This appears to be the Labour job-creation scheme right here.

I work in a global company where decisions have wide ranging and at times devastating impacts on various parts of the business, company and communities where we are situated. Not entirely unlike government decision making.

Every single one of our decisions requires that we gather the right subject matter experts, stake holders and other interested parties, produce the correct amount of documentation to allow decision makers to make the right call. Our shares are rising rapidly and our business is growing at a controllable rate, average pay rise across the New Zealand employees in 2017 was near 15%. We have evolved into this model because making top down decisions based on the wit, guile and a twinkle in the eye, has largely failed in our business. Indeed, we have ruthlessly culled many of our competitors that held onto this outdated business model.

I am not saying there is a direct parallel between our targeted engagement model and the central government reviews/committees, but I am not surprised to see a (supposedly progressive) government trying it's best to mimic success.

Everything is much more complicated now, you must be smarter, the world in which Trump lives has reached it's expiry date. It's no longer possible to have a couple of smart and/or handsome people sitting at the top making decisions, based on history or gut feeling. You need research and due diligence to successfully make ongoing good decisions.

I have not voted Labour in the past two decades.

Solid post. (and I quite agree)

But the New Zealand Government already has an extensive range of Parliamentary Offices (Ministries), Public Services Departments, and Crown Agencies all tasked with performing relevant research, providing expert advice, and generally enabling the Cabinet Ministers to make evidence-based, well researched policy.

Ardern's 101 Working Groups are over and above that, and I can only surmise, are for the purpose of either:

Kicking the can down the road for the next couple of years without having to achieve anything
Undermining the various Ministries and Public Service organisations

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#2001076 23-Apr-2018 13:06

‪ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12037416‬

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#2001081 23-Apr-2018 13:16

Let's not include ClarkE in this thread

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#2001086 23-Apr-2018 13:23

6FIEND:

Ardern's 101 Working Groups are over and above that, and I can only surmise, are for the purpose of either:

Kicking the can down the road for the next couple of years without having to achieve anything
Undermining the various Ministries and Public Service organisations

Conjecture based on belief that this government can do no good or objective analysis?

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#2001094 23-Apr-2018 13:44

I have to say as someone who has had major surgery within the last six months the standard of care I have received during initial assessment, surgery and care was excellent. Three DHBs were involved in the whole process.

Sometimes the wheel came off on the logistics sides of things and that can be completely maddening and somewhat stressful. But in the end the treatment received was excellent. <6 months after major surgery I'm back to running 4km in 30 minutes.

The worst thing about staying in hospital was the conduct of other patients.

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#2001098 23-Apr-2018 13:53

Conjecture based on an assumption that the 70,000 or so employees of the Public Service and other Crown Entities are at least nominally productive.

...that and not being able to come up with any other plausible options.

Of course, feel free to put forward some alternatives from a different point of view. Then we can all consider which is most likely.

(Personal admission here to reinforce your perception of me: I removed a third option - that the government has actually got no idea how to govern, and establishing endless working groups buys them time to come up with coherent policy that they will be able to deliver against. It is my personal belief that Labour never expected to win the 2017 election, and that their policies were primarily slogans and feel-good messaging that they never expected to have to implement. As such, the policies lacked the underlying research or analysis required for them to function as a cohesive framework. We are now seeing numerous examples of back-tracking, contradiction, and unforeseen consequences emerging that could reasonably be attributed to this lack of groundwork.)

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