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  #2832161 14-Dec-2021 13:31
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I don't know about that. See my earlier comment about the nature of the top Retrumplicsns, would you rather have an incompetent crazy running things or a competent crazy?

 

This brings to mind the thought experiment of "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?"

 

The argument against this is that given the trends of society at that time, someone else more militarily adept may well have come up in place and ended up bringing the final solution to its awful conclusion, and winning the war, instead of what Hitler did, constantly hamstringing his very competent generals. But this is steering off-topic...




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  #2832184 14-Dec-2021 13:53
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Gurezaemon:

 

This brings to mind the thought experiment of "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?"

 

The argument against this is that given the trends of society at that time, someone else more militarily adept may well have come up in place and ended up bringing the final solution to its awful conclusion, and winning the war, instead of what Hitler did, constantly hamstringing his very competent generals. But this is steering off-topic...

 

 

I knew I had heard this somewhere before, and then I clicked where: The Twilight Zone.

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734776/reference

 

 

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  #2832186 14-Dec-2021 13:53
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I think Politics allows more latitude for digression. Let's find out.

 

Growing up my favourite science fiction author was Robert Heinlein. His later work dabbled with the notion of alternate universes, one of which posited a tyrannical theocracy ruling in America. In a subsequent work, he mentioned that time travellers had changed history by preventing the birth of the tyrant, if my recollection is correct. As a result, America did not become an isolationist theocracy but engaged actively in international affairs, ultimately leading to thermonuclear war that killed the planet. The other universes decided to leave it that way as a warning not to try to change history.

 

    




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  #2832205 14-Dec-2021 14:30
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Gurezaemon:

 

This brings to mind the thought experiment of "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?"

 

The argument against this is that given the trends of society at that time, someone else more militarily adept may well have come up in place and ended up bringing the final solution to its awful conclusion, and winning the war, instead of what Hitler did, constantly hamstringing his very competent generals. But this is steering off-topic...

 

 

When people make the comparison to Hitler it's often stated it's over the top. But is it?

 

Did Hitler start out wanting to eliminate all Jews, or did they start out as a convenient scapegoat he could convince the German people were responsible for so many of their problems? Until he eventually believed his own propaganda? I'm not a historian so this is a genuine question.

 

Trump is often called a racist, but I don't know that he hates any particular group of people more than any other (except people that he perceives as having wronged him). He is happy to cast ANY group as the villains if it helps achieve him power and popularity. If he could get away with it, and it bolstered his popularity, I don't know that there's anything he wouldn't do.

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  #2832263 14-Dec-2021 16:34
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Gee Suzz. That is truly scary 😟




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  #2832292 14-Dec-2021 17:26
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Paul1977:

Did Hitler start out wanting to eliminate all Jews, or did they start out as a convenient scapegoat he could convince the German people were responsible for so many of their problems? Until he eventually believed his own propaganda? I'm not a historian so this is a genuine question.

 

 

Some historians have commented that Hitler's first steps on the antisemitism ladder came about because solemnly vaporising about the Jewish problem was one of the few ways a bum like Hitler could interact with higher-class people in post-WWI Vienna. Since one of his WWI commanding officers, who recommended him for the Iron Cross, was Jewish he certainly can't have been too antisemitic before then.

 

 

Another reason why antisemitism was convenient was that Germany was functionally bankrupt for much of the 1930s, it was only Hjalmar Schacht's financial genius at conjuring up apparent funds out of thin air that kept the country going (if ever there was someone for whom the epithet "financial wizard" was appropriate it was him). When actual funds were needed before 1938, extracting money from Jewish citizens through taxes, levies, "emigration fees", and later outright theft was a major source of that.

 

 

So it made both political and financial sense to be antisemitic, whether you actually were or not: "Nothing personal, it's just business".

 

 

In terms of who he blamed for the defeat in WWI, it was Jews, Communists, insufficiently patriotic people, pacifists, etc etc. Basically anyone who didn't fit the profile of what would later be ardent Nazis.

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  #2832322 14-Dec-2021 18:52
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The New York Times - Jan. 6 Committee Recommends Contempt Charge for Meadows

 

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WASHINGTON - Mark Meadows, the last White House chief of staff for President Donald J. Trump, played a far more substantial role in plans to overturn the 2020 election than was previously known, and he was involved in failed efforts to get Mr. Trump to order the mob invading the Capitol on Jan. 6 to stand down ...

 

From a trove of about 9,000 documents that Mr. Meadows turned over before halting his cooperation with the inquiry, a clearer picture has emerged about the extent of his involvement in Mr. Trump’s attempts to use the government to invalidate the election results.

 

The committee voted 9 to 0 on Monday evening to recommend that Mr. Meadows be charged with criminal contempt of Congress for defying its subpoena. ...

 




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  #2832547 14-Dec-2021 21:50
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Related:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/13/politics/trump-jr-text-mark-meadows-january-6/index.html

 

It wasn't just Ivanka pleading with her father to call off the thugs invading the Capitol.

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  #2832691 15-Dec-2021 09:09
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Possibly veering slightly off topic. Not about Trump specifically, but rather why Bill Maher believes the Democrats will lose the midterms and the next presidential election. I think he's spot on.

 

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  #2832699 15-Dec-2021 09:20
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Scary if true. What does Trump have to do to get people to not vote for him? He seems to (somehow) be loved by a large number of people, no matter what he says or does.

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  #2832716 15-Dec-2021 09:45
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Is this a good time to remind that Hitler became Chancellor of Germany by legal means?

 

 




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  #2832719 15-Dec-2021 09:49
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quickymart:

 

Scary if true. What does Trump have to do to get people to not vote for him? He seems to (somehow) be loved by a large number of people, no matter what he says or does.

 

 

A lot of it is less about loving Trump, and more about hating Democrats. Trump's gift is tapping into, and fueling, that hatred. And the Democrats aren't doing anything right to win over any of those voters. You don't win people over by calling them ignorant, racist, homophobic, or transphobic just because they don't agree 100% with you.

 

Much of middle America believes the "left" hate them, and why would you vote for a party that hates you?

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  #2832881 15-Dec-2021 14:40
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quickymart:  ... What does Trump have to do to get people to not vote for him?

 

He seems to (somehow) be loved by a large number of people, no matter what he says or does.

 



 




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  #2832882 15-Dec-2021 14:42
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The New York Times - Trump Fraud Inquiry’s Focus: Did He Mislead His Own Accountants?

 

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The investigation, by the Manhattan district attorney, is zeroing in on information the former president and his company shared about the value of his assets.

 

As prosecutors in Manhattan weigh whether to charge Donald J. Trump with fraud, they have zeroed in on financial documents that he used to obtain loans and boast about his wealth ...

 

The documents, compiled by Mr. Trump’s longtime accountants and known as annual statements of financial condition, could help answer a question at the heart of the long-running criminal investigation into the former president: Did he inflate the value of his assets to defraud his lenders?

 

In recent weeks, prosecutors in the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., have questioned one of Mr. Trump’s accountants before a grand jury as part of their examination of the financial statements.

 

Prosecutors also interviewed his longtime banker ...

 

 

 

 

The Washington Post - Trump tax records can be released by Treasury Department to House, judge rules

 

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A federal judge on Tuesday rejected former president Donald Trump’s long-running effort to block the Treasury Department from turning over his tax records to the House Ways and Means Committee, but put the ruling on hold pending an expected appeal. ...

 

The House Ways and Means Committee sought six years of Trump’s tax returns, saying it wanted to review the effectiveness of the presidential audit program. 

Trump sued to block the release of the records, saying it was an attempt to harass him and dig up political dirt. ...

 

 

 




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The Washington Post - GOP agrees to pay up to $1.6 million of Trump’s legal bills in N.Y. probes

 

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The Republican Party has agreed to pay up to $1.6 million in legal bills for former president Donald Trump to help him fight investigations into his business practices in New York, according to Republican National Committee (RNC) members and others briefed on the decision. ...

 

The payments are meant to help Trump defend himself against two parallel investigations of his business: a civil probe by New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) and a criminal investigation by James and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. (D). ...

 

Campaign finance experts said there appeared to be nothing illegal about the payments. ...

 

Still, paying Trump’s legal bills is a highly unusual move, longtime party observers and members say, because the spending has nothing to do with promoting the GOP’s policy agenda or political priorities, dealing with ongoing party business, or campaigning ...

 

 

 

 

As usual, Donald lets other people pay for his mistakes.  😏




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