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  #3075010 11-May-2023 13:54
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CNN does a fact check of their town hall meeting with Trump:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/10/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-town-hall/index.html

 

(would have been good if they had done this in real-time!)

 

Politico's summary here: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/10/trump-once-more-refuses-to-admit-election-defeat-00096352

 

 

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  #3075015 11-May-2023 14:29
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Rikkitic: Nothing unusual about male witches.

 

Excellent article, well worth the long read.

 

My remarks were meant to be humorous, of course, but on a more serious note, I've long wondered about Trump's Svengali-ish ability to manipulate large chunks of the American population, as well as millions of other individuals around the world. 

 

Trump was apparently fascinated by Adolf Hitler, keeping by his bed a copy of Hitler's speeches, according to his ex-wife Ivana (who, after an acrimonious divorce from Trump, died after falling down the stairs of her townhouse).

 

In turn, Hitler and his Nazi gang were themselves fascinated by the power of black magic and satanism.

 

IMHO, Trump picked up on all of this, and while he lacks the intelligence and patience to be a modern day Alistair Crowley, he has enough native cunning and willpower to have become a master demagogue. His influence will maintain until he is either silenced by imprisonment in a solitary, soundproof cell (unlikely, but we can hope) or deceased. The physical reality of his passing is inevitable but his influence will remain for many years to come.

 

 https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/hitlers-monsters

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultism_in_Nazism

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/no-ones-buying-ivana-trumps-extravagant-townhouse-5-months-later-2023-4?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Trump crowned? No faux King way!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  #3075020 11-May-2023 14:36
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Trump loves punishing others, like "lock her up" for Hillary using a private email server

Of course retribution only apply to everyone else.

From the town hall:

"We're going to be asking everyone who sells drugs, gets caught selling drugs, to receive the death penalty for their heinous acts, because it's the only way."

And, of course, there's journalists have to explain why that's a bad idea, without using words stupid, ignorant, pig-headed, ...

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  #3075029 11-May-2023 14:54
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geekIT:

In turn, Hitler and his Nazi gang were themselves fascinated by the power of black magic and satanism.

 

 

That was mainly Himmler and a few of his underlings, and it wasn't black magic but a complex mishmash of paganism, old Norse religious ideas, and 19th-century occult nonsense. The result was a grandiose but fizzled-out muddle that people still can't figure out today.

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  #3075036 11-May-2023 15:14
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How many did he get? Reading the CNN summary it looks like a few.

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  #3075038 11-May-2023 15:32
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Regarding defamation and false voting machines claims by Fox News and Trump campaign.

Today "Smartmatic US" gets hot, following on from "Dominion Voting Systems" victory.

Trump HIT with NEW SUBPOENAS which Spell BIG Trouble

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  #3075119 11-May-2023 16:50
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kingdragonfly: Regarding defamation and false voting machines claims by Fox News and Trump campaign.

Today "Smartmatic US" gets hot, following on from "Dominion Voting Systems" victory.

Trump HIT with NEW SUBPOENAS which Spell BIG Trouble

 

So some wonker makes a YouTube video of himself reading a document. Why the hell couldn't he just publish what he was reading? I hate this stupid crap!

 

 




Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

 


 

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  #3075128 11-May-2023 17:25
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A whole rundown here: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-cnn-town-hall/index.html

 

This part stuck out to me the most:

 

Some New Hampshire voters say Trump focused too much on 2020 election and should instead look forward

 

Undeclared and Republican voters from New Hampshire, who were in the audience for the CNN town hall with Donald Trump, said that the former president should have focused more on the future instead of the 2020 election.

 

CNN asked voters about their thoughts on Trump's overall performance as well. Out of eight audience members participating in the post-town hall discussion, only one said that they would vote for Trump in 2024. The rest said they remain undecided. 

 

So, while he may have gotten heaps of cheers and whooping from the crowd, that doesn't always necessarily translate into votes.

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  #3075140 11-May-2023 19:14
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This scares the hell out of me

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/05/donald-trump-says-he-s-inclined-to-pardon-many-involved-in-beautiful-january-6-attack.html

 

 

 

Trump is effectively saying "Commit crimes to get me elected and I will pardon you"

 

He is instigating the US version of "Night of the long knives"

 

We were planning to go as a family to the USA next year (9 of us), but I am back to looking at the UK/Japan as alternatives because they will be safer.

 

If Trump wins, the chances of a civil war will be high.

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  #3075141 11-May-2023 19:24
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Reuters - Trump jokes about sexual abuse verdict, repeats election falsehoods

 

 

May 10 (Reuters) - An unrepentant Donald Trump held firm to past grievances at the first televised town hall of the 2024 U.S. presidential election on Wednesday, stressing from the moment he took the stage that he has little intention of mounting a more disciplined campaign for his third White House bid.

 

In a contentious 70-minute broadcast, Trump drew laughter from a New Hampshire audience when he mocked writer E. Jean Carroll's account of his having sexually abused her, repeated falsehoods about his 2020 election loss, said he would pardon many of his supporters convicted of taking part in a Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, and called the CNN moderator Kaitlan Collins a "nasty person." ...

 

Stu Rothenberg, a non-partisan political analyst, said Trump's performance was a likely prelude to his 2024 campaign.

 

"It was classic Trump - it was Donald Trump from 2015 right up until now: the Big Lie, the outrageous style, demeaning individuals, mocking them. He hasn't changed, nor will he. It was a glimpse into the next year and a half."

 

 

 

 

The Guardian - Toe-curlingly bad television: Trump’s torturous town hall backfires on CNN   <<<  READ THIS ARTICLE !

 


The nausea came gradually, then suddenly, and with disconcerting familiarity. We had been flung back in time to the political hellscape of 2016. Only the second time around, it was somehow worse.

 

Donald Trump, the former US president appearing on CNN for the first time since that fateful election year, lied and lied and lied.

 

He was a leviathan of lying, a juggernaut of junk, an ocean liner of mendacity that left little boats of truth spinning and overturning in its wake. ...

 




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  #3075246 11-May-2023 21:02
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CNN are also getting quite a bit of heat for hosting the orange buffoon in the first place, from...CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/media/cnn-town-hall-donald-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

 

 

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  #3075264 11-May-2023 22:36
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They did if for the ratings and clicks,. He was looking very frail and  came across pretty badly.

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  #3075303 12-May-2023 08:09
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To his base he's an absolute god (somehow). However, remember the audience was made up of Republicans or Republican-leaning independents. I have a feeling if the audience had been made up of the general electorate, the responses would have been quite different.

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  #3075310 12-May-2023 08:54
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Because Trump's never had to face the consequences for his actions, or even pay his own bills, he never learns.

There is a possibility that Trump's appeal of this verdict could results for even more money being awarded to the sexual abuse victim.

New York Times: After Defamation Finding, Trump Again Says Carroll Lied.

Hours after a Manhattan jury on Tuesday found that former President Donald J. Trump had sexually abused and defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll, Mr. Trump went on social media to call her a liar.

It was the kind of attack that had led Ms. Carroll to sue him twice for defamation, including this week’s case, in which she won $5 million in damages.

His unrelenting commentary on Ms. Carroll, her lawsuit and even the judge in the civil trial, Lewis A. Kaplan, raises questions about what repercussions Mr. Trump could face in any motions he makes before Judge Kaplan or in a promised appeal, or whether he could face a new defamation lawsuit.
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  #3075312 12-May-2023 09:03
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Casting stones in glass mansions.

Time: How Hunter Biden’s scandals compare to those of Trump's family members

Rep. James Comer, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, held a press conference on Wednesday to detail the latest updates in his investigation of Hunter Biden’s business dealings. The evidence so far does not directly implicate President Biden, but does suggest his son may have profited off of his famous name.

Records of Hunter Biden’s activities also echo the foreign business dealings of the family members of another President. While in office, former President Trump remained connected to the Trump Organization, even as he passed control of the company to his two sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump. Though Trump’s team said the business would not enter any new overseas deals during his term, his family members continued to engage in business abroad. Meanwhile, Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, and her husband, Jared Kushner, continued to pursue financial interests in foreign countries.
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