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  #3116892 16-Aug-2023 19:30
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Trivial Pursuit

The NY Times - Trump Case Judge in New York Declines to Step Aside

 

14 August 2023

 


The New York judge presiding over the criminal case against Donald J. Trump in Manhattan has declined to remove himself from the proceedings ...

 

The district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, accused Mr. Trump of falsifying records to cover up a hush-money payment to a porn star that was made during the 2016 presidential campaign.

 

Mr. Trump’s lawyers asked the judge, Juan M. Merchan, to recuse himself from the case [on the grounds that] during the 2020 presidential campaign, Justice Merchan had donated $15 to Mr. Trump’s opponent, Joseph R. Biden ...

 

 

Do I laugh or do I cry?   🙄




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  #3116894 16-Aug-2023 19:36
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/giuliani-money-lawsuits-trump/index.html >> Rudy's part in Trump's election fraud scam/scheme/bs is finally coming back to bite him as well. I wonder if he now regrets not insisting on being paid by Trump when he was doing his dirty work for him?

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  #3116901 16-Aug-2023 20:01
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quickymart:   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/giuliani-money-lawsuits-trump/index.html   >>  Rudy's part in Trump's election fraud scam/scheme/bs is finally coming back to bite him as well. ...

 

 

From the above link:

 

"Not including standard legal fees, Giuliani faces nearly $90,000 in sanctions from a judge in a defamation case, a $20,000 monthly fee to a company to host his electronic records, $15,000 or more for a search of his records, and even a $57,000 judgment against his company for unpaid phone bills. "

 

That's a lot of butt-dials.  🙄

 




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  #3117038 17-Aug-2023 09:55
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Reuters - Trump Georgia indictment: RICO charges could be a double-edged sword

 

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Aug 16 (Reuters) - A Georgia state law against racketeering could be a powerful tool in prosecuting Donald Trump, but applying charges traditionally used to take down organized crime risks miring the case in legal and logistical complications.

 

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on Monday charged the Republican former president and 18 associates ... all are accused of running afoul of the state's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, or RICO, law.

 

“You can tell a great story in your indictment, and you might be able to prove it. But you also might be making it more complicated,” said former federal prosecutor Harry Sandick.

 

Experienced lawyers expect the case to almost certainly be delayed due to the sheer number of defendants, each of whom is likely to raise a unique set of pre-trial issues.

 

“The problem with RICO is that it takes a lot longer because there are so many more elements to it,” said Jerry Froelich, a Georgia criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. “I don’t know if you could even find a courtroom big enough for 19 defendants.”

 

The unprecedented nature of the case could work in Trump's favor, allowing his lawyers to argue it is inappropriate to charge a former U.S. president and his allies like gang members.

 

 

 

 

 




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  #3117048 17-Aug-2023 10:06
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I'm dying to see what this "report" of his around the "election fraud" he still believes happened in 2020 actually says, but my interest is purely for the lols.

 

As I saw somewhere yesterday, a Republican said the more they talk about 2020, the less it's a winning strategy for them - if they keep harping on about the past (ie, 2020) they're sure to lose. True to form, Trump is busy being a broken record on exactly that.

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  #3117055 17-Aug-2023 10:24
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Both of those are good points, RICO trials take forever and if you're white and rich you can legitimately make the second argument. Black/Hispanic and poor and it won't work.

 

 

For people who aren't familiar with how badly RICO gets abused in the US and the appalling miscarriages of justice it's led to, here's a typical rundown:

 

 

* Sheriff's department gets told it has to bring in $1M each year in RICO asset seizures.

 

 

* Department can either go after organised crime, which takes a lot of work and they have lawyers, guns, and money, or after random people who can't fight back much. Examples are Hispanic (used) agricultural equipment buyers who travel with cash for cash-only sales, a black cleaning lady who was retiring from NY to somewhere warmer and carrying a bank cheque to pay for her house, etc. There's a neverending string of these, those are just two I remember. It's virtually never white people that get targeted.

 

 

* These people shouldn't have this much money so you seize it on that basis and then they have to spend years in court trying to get it back. Oh, except that you've taken all their money so they can't afford to do that.

 

 

It also leads to bizarre cases like "United States vs. 123 Washington St, Florida" which is what they're seizing. In effect RICO is used like letters of marque by US sheriff's departments.

 

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  #3117087 17-Aug-2023 11:20
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The whole concept of sheriff is really messed up. They're numerous and widely ranged.

But that's a topic for another day.

For Trump, the RICO case is a no-win situation. Generally Americans don't know what these next two items are, but they know they're bad: socialism and racketeering.

Before the 60th quadrennial presidential election, 5 November, 2024: Trump will having a constant stream of racketeering news.

After the election, if Trump was found guilty, no one can pardon him
  • Presidents can't pardon state crimes
  • The Georgia governor can't pardon, by Georgia law, for 5 years.
  • Whether a president can pardon himself, doesn't matter
If President Trump wins: if the Georgia state case is ongoing, he can't stop it; they are not under the federal justice system.

This assumes the case goes ahead, which seems it's unstoppable now.

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  #3117125 17-Aug-2023 12:33
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The Washington Post - Georgia prosecutor seeks March trial date in Trump election case

 

16 August 2023

 


ATLANTA - An Atlanta-area prosecutor is seeking a March trial date in the criminal racketeering case against former president Donald Trump and 18 others.

 

In a court motion filed Wednesday in Fulton County Superior Court, Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) sought a March 4 trial date. 

 

She also proposed individual arraignment hearings for each of the defendants sometime during the week of Sept. 5, as well as a schedule that she said would not conflict with Trump’s other pending criminal cases *.

 

 

*  This proposed trial date probably conflicts with the Stormy Daniels case, scheduled for March 25 in New York.  The Georgia trial could easily take several months.




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  #3117154 17-Aug-2023 13:17
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https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/donald-trump-is-one-really-stupid-human-being/

 

Yes. Yes he is. And this article was written by someone who is obviously a Republican, too.

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  #3117204 17-Aug-2023 14:58
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Can't this infantile, presidential scumbag finally be put away? America, what has become of you? Maybe with the right connections and the right lawyers, even Putin or Martians can sue their way into the White House?




     

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  #3117245 17-Aug-2023 17:21
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Tinkerisk:

 

Can't this infantile, presidential scumbag finally be put away? America, what has become of you? Maybe with the right connections and the right lawyers, even Putin or Martians can sue their way into the White House?

 

 

Might I suggest a slight change in your wording: pestilential is perhaps more apt. Strictly speaking, the jerk-off may have been briefly 'president', but 'presidential', never.




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  #3117306 17-Aug-2023 20:16
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"Rikers" is a New York City's jail complex on Rikers Island, troubled by mismanagement and dysfunction for decades.

"Turnstyle” (United Kingdom), “turnstile” (US) are used at New York subways, as a form of gate which allows one person to pass at a time.

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  #3117395 18-Aug-2023 08:26
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https://www.axios.com/2023/08/17/trump-prosecutions-timeline-republicans-democrats >> this could be why it's everything everywhere all at once.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/17/opinions/first-republican-presidential-debate-chen/index.html >> in all honesty, if not Joe I think Tim Scott could be an okay president. He has a very positive, optimistic outlook - unlike the orange buffoon, who even Bill Barr has described him as being "constantly at war...24/7". Having said that though, if Scott prevails in the primary, he's going to come out quite bruised and battered after taking on Trump, that's for sure.

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  #3117435 18-Aug-2023 10:05
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quickymart: Opinion: Advice for Republican presidential candidates ahead of the first debate


CNN giving advice to Republican presidential candidates is as effective as me giving advice to my cat.

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  #3117448 18-Aug-2023 10:40
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LOL. If that was my cat I'd never be able to sleep soundly at night 😜




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