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#2014152 11-May-2018 15:48

Fred99:

rjt123:

Fred99:

https://www.studylink.govt.nz/return-to-study/pass-course/did-not-pass.html#null

I don't know where the "80%" comes from, for some assessments then 50% is a pass, others you might need 100%. The rationale for the latter is self-evident - if you were teaching someone to tighten jesus nuts on helicopters etc.

Studylink is student loans - not fees-free study. More info can be founds on the feesfree.govt.nz site.

But you're right about the 80%, not every course has % grading, and if they do 80% is a pretty high threshold. I think a pass would be sufficient, as this policy is aimed at the less academically minded.

Yes I know that's about student loans - that was actually what the OP asked about. :-)

LOL. apologies, i fell victim of reading what I wanted to see, not what was written. I assumed it was about fees-free policy

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#2014158 11-May-2018 15:55

Fred99:

Yes I know that's about student loans - that was actually what the OP asked about. :-)

What I mean was Labour led free study program. I would have imagined it fairly obvious given the discussion thread you are in and it being a flagship policy of this Government.

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#2014179 11-May-2018 16:54

MikeB4:
I wasn't going to post in this thread again but I have decided to post this given that some have claimed that I don't expand upon my views. There will be mistakes as it takes a long time to type one handed.

This is my feelings regarding the housing “crisis” this is not meant to provide a solution but some of my own thoughts. When looking at this I provide a number of key factors.

1. The Government should not own or build houses.
2. Everyone deserves an opportunity to own their own home.
3. Not everyone will own their own home.
4. Housing should be provided by private enterprise be it for ownership or rental.
5. The Government role is facilitation and enabling.

So on that my thoughts are the Government while it sounds warm and fuzzy to do, should not build and own housing especially for social housing. This ends up, as it has in the past, creating social disaster zones like Canons Creek, Flaxmere to list two. This may ease housing issues in the short term but creates a nightmare down the track that other Government agencies and private agencies have to try and fix.

Everyone deserves the opportunity to own their own home the reality is not everyone can or should. It is probably something no Government will ever admit to but for some it is out of their means financially and or abilities. That said I believe it is a basic human right to have warm, dry suitably sized housing. This either by purchase or rental and this housing should be well built and comply with WHO standards. This housing should be provided by private enterprise as Government is not and should not be in the business of housing.

New housing developments should include a mix of self owned and rental homes that are not discernible by outward appearance. I believe this will go along way to stopping the development of social disasters like Canons Creek and Flaxmere.

The Governments role in this should be as facilitator and enabler by making sure we have good legislation that not only protects all parties it provides an effective catalyst to developing good homes and good living environments for all New Zealanders.
Just like the Government is not a business private enterprises are not social support agencies. Therefore a further role of Government is the provision of financial housing assistance by way of rental or mortgage subsidy to those who meet and continue to meet the qualifying criteria.
The Government could by way of underwriting marginal mortgages to first home buyers or provision of term loans to developers to enable the building and purchase of homes for New Zealanders.

As a final thought I feel even the long term implications of the current housing problem the political parties need to drop the divide of party policy and take a bipartisan approach and also engage private enterprise and social agencies to work towards a sustainable housing environment for all New Zealanders.

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

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#2014186 11-May-2018 17:14

networkn:

Fred99:

Yes I know that's about student loans - that was actually what the OP asked about. :-)

What I mean was Labour led free study program. I would have imagined it fairly obvious given the discussion thread you are in and it being a flagship policy of this Government.

Gee - and I was even going to answer the question you didn't ask but seem to think was "obvious" - but avoided doing that because it was more than obvious that's not what you asked for.

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#2014190 11-May-2018 17:26

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

What makes them "lower class"?

Is that "inferior" to "higher class"?

If you tell someone that they're "inferior" and treat them differently because of that, will that lead to them adopting "superior" behaviour?

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#2014203 11-May-2018 17:41

Geektastic:
The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

So true ......... thoughts of many places in the UK and NZ.

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#2014359 11-May-2018 20:37

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

Edit; never mind just not worth the effort

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2014408 11-May-2018 21:42

DaveB:

Geektastic:
The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

So true ......... thoughts of many places in the UK and NZ.

Like this one?

knock yourself out - LOL

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#2014427 11-May-2018 22:22

Fred99:

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

What makes them "lower class"?

Is that "inferior" to "higher class"?

If you tell someone that they're "inferior" and treat them differently because of that, will that lead to them adopting "superior" behaviour?

Pretty sure you actually know the answer to your own question to be honest.

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#2014490 12-May-2018 08:15

Geektastic:

Fred99:

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

What makes them "lower class"?

Is that "inferior" to "higher class"?

If you tell someone that they're "inferior" and treat them differently because of that, will that lead to them adopting "superior" behaviour?

Pretty sure you actually know the answer to your own question to be honest.

That bigotry is alive and well in this thread?

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#2014519 12-May-2018 09:47

Fred99:
Geektastic:

Fred99:

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

What makes them "lower class"?

Is that "inferior" to "higher class"?

If you tell someone that they're "inferior" and treat them differently because of that, will that lead to them adopting "superior" behaviour?

Pretty sure you actually know the answer to your own question to be honest.

That bigotry is alive and well in this thread?

Stating facts is hardly bigotry. There's plenty of comment on GZ about awful neighbours and realism dictates that we know that certain social groups are more likely to cause problems than others.

If you want to be obtuse, by all means carry on.

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#2014541 12-May-2018 10:44

Can't see why you'd think that calling out blatant bigotry is "obtuse". Seems acute and accurate to me.

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#2014561 12-May-2018 11:35

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

Why not just keeping your trolling, disgracefully bigoted thoughts to yourself.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2014562 12-May-2018 11:40

MikeB4:
Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

Why not just keeping your trolling, disgracefully bigoted thoughts to yourself.

I don't agree with calling anybody"lower class" but...

There is a socially acceptable level of living which covers property maintenance, lifestyle etc, and I'm pretty sure we know what's meant by that.

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#2014579 12-May-2018 12:15

rjt123:
MikeB4:

Geektastic:

Planners elsewhere have found that pepperpotting social housing amongst quality private housing has two effects. The first is that developers walk away from actually doing the jobs due to the second, which is that the people who live in the expensive homes pay less because of the blight caused by the lower class occupants of the other homes.

The homes themselves may be indistinguishable from the outside but it usually becomes obvious pretty quickly which is which as a result of cars, trash, anti social behaviour and so on.

Why not just keeping your trolling, disgracefully bigoted thoughts to yourself.

I don't agree with calling anybody"lower class" but...

There is a socially acceptable level of living which covers property maintenance, lifestyle etc, and I'm pretty sure we know what's meant by that.

Very common in the UK.

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