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#2019192 20-May-2018 00:53

MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

Whatever NZ does will have zero effect on the global warming or anything else...except our pockets. Even wealthy countries like Australia are doing less than us.

The problem is China, Russia and some other big boys. If we did nothing the world wouldnt notice...and we cant afford to do much.

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#2019215 20-May-2018 08:15

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MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

Whatever NZ does will have zero effect on the global warming or anything else...except our pockets. Even wealthy countries like Australia are doing less than us.

The problem is China, Russia and some other big boys. If we did nothing the world wouldnt notice...and we cant afford to do much.

So if all nation's have this stupid 'nimby' attitude to fixing CLIMATE CHANGE we will all be we and truly screwed.

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#2019230 20-May-2018 08:52

Pumpedd:

MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

Whatever NZ does will have zero effect on the global warming or anything else...except our pockets. Even wealthy countries like Australia are doing less than us.

The problem is China, Russia and some other big boys. If we did nothing the world wouldnt notice...and we cant afford to do much.

It can help our pockets actually. If NZ promoted EV's, thats a fuel cost saving and a balance of payment benefit. As well, promote solar HW and PV, to move generation away from distributed to undistributed, that saves our power bills, it also reduces the load and allows homes and businesses to put back to the grid. Flow ons are moving from petrol mowers, hedge trimmers, other gadgets to electricity, which we can buy or generate ourselves. Ultimately that has to happen as oil has 50 years left. Probably a lot less as those devices that cannot run on electricity such as aircraft/ships will get priority so as to extend their use.

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#2019231 20-May-2018 08:54

MikeB4:
Pumpedd:

MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

Whatever NZ does will have zero effect on the global warming or anything else...except our pockets. Even wealthy countries like Australia are doing less than us.

The problem is China, Russia and some other big boys. If we did nothing the world wouldnt notice...and we cant afford to do much.

So if all nation's have this stupid 'nimby' attitude to fixing CLIMATE CHANGE we will all be we and truly screwed.

Probably only need one or two great big dirty ones, like Trump's America, or whoever it is in East Asia producing/releasing CFCs (which are powerful greenhouse gases - as well as destroying the ozone layer)

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#2019496 20-May-2018 19:44

Pumpedd:

MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

Whatever NZ does will have zero effect on the global warming or anything else...except our pockets. Even wealthy countries like Australia are doing less than us.

The problem is China, Russia and some other big boys. If we did nothing the world wouldnt notice...and we cant afford to do much.

China is making decent effort into renewables/EVs/solar

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/electric-buses-are-avoiding-hundreds-of-thousands-of-barrels-of-oil-per-day/

I also disagree that Australia is doing nothing about global warming. They are absolutely intent on making it worse :)

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/keeping-liddell-alive-inside-alinta-s-bid-for-the-power-station-20180404-p4z7oi.html

AGL was gonna decomission a coal power plant but the Australian government insists it not do so :)

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#2019560 20-May-2018 22:08

MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

To clarify... What u mean is "if we don't change our consumption "

Changing production levels is irrelevant to the real issue..., like most of this government's actions.

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#2019615 21-May-2018 09:27

rjt123:
MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

To clarify... What u mean is "if we don't change our consumption "

Changing production levels is irrelevant to the real issue..., like most of this government's actions.

If the only food and drink you make available is wheat and beer all that will be consumed is wheat and beer. Cutting supply of fossil fuel will lead to innovation and alternatives as exampled in the 70s during the oil shocks and the WW2. If the demand for EVs rise production ramps up and so does competition which inevitably brings price reductions.

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#2019623 21-May-2018 09:52

MikeB4:
rjt123:
MikeB4: If we don't start changing we will be screwed. The Ostrich method is not going to save us.

To clarify... What u mean is "if we don't change our consumption "

Changing production levels is irrelevant to the real issue..., like most of this government's actions.

If the only food and drink you make available is wheat and beer all that will be consumed is wheat and beer. Cutting supply of fossil fuel will lead to innovation and alternatives as exampled in the 70s during the oil shocks and the WW2. If the demand for EVs rise production ramps up and so does competition which inevitably brings price reductions.

One flaw... They haven't cut supply. Supply comes from overseas via big boats. Nothing to do with the black gold they pump out of the ground in taranaki.

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#2019645 21-May-2018 10:09

It is a step in the right direction.

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#2019650 21-May-2018 10:13

MikeB4: It is a step in the right direction.

Virtue signalling.

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#2019654 21-May-2018 10:18

Market signals like this can be decisive in setting prices and future investment priorities. Case in point many car manufacturers now stating a date for being 100% electric tells suppliers where investment priorities are for the future and the kind of technology they need to invest in.

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#2019671 21-May-2018 10:57

rjt123:
MikeB4: It is a step in the right direction.

Virtue signalling.

What ever you want to call it, but waking up maybe useful to you.

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#2019673 21-May-2018 11:01

gzt: Market signals like this can be decisive in setting prices and future investment priorities. Case in point many car manufacturers now stating a date for being 100% electric tells suppliers where investment priorities are for the future and the kind of technology they need to invest in.

Awesome. More CO2 into the atmosphere. ;-)

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#2019691 21-May-2018 11:37

rjt123: One flaw... They haven't cut supply. Supply comes from overseas via big boats. Nothing to do with the black gold they pump out of the ground in taranaki.

Add to this the fact that most innovation in this area is already emerging from countries that have an ample supply of hydrocarbons at their disposal. These countries have much larger resources than NZ to fund such R&D.

What I'd like to see is the Government release their strategic plan which outlines how a ban on further exploration of hydrocarbons creates an economic environment that fosters innovation for alternative carbon-neutral fuels, along with their plans for transitioning the local economies which will be hit hardest.

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#2019705 21-May-2018 11:52

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rjt123: One flaw... They haven't cut supply. Supply comes from overseas via big boats. Nothing to do with the black gold they pump out of the ground in taranaki.

Add to this the fact that most innovation in this area is already emerging from countries that have an ample supply of hydrocarbons at their disposal. These countries have much larger resources than NZ to fund such R&D.

What I'd like to see is the Government release their strategic plan which outlines how a ban on further exploration of hydrocarbons creates an economic environment that fosters innovation for alternative carbon-neutral fuels, along with their plans for transitioning the local economies which will be hit hardest.

Or perhaps talk to Exxon etc and get on and offshore drilling exploration ramped up big time, start fracking, so we can improve our economy and employment, and get those coal mines open casted while we are at it

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