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#2042909 23-Jun-2018 16:40

MikeB4:

Good lord people AirNZ is a company not a government department. They are no different to Spark or Fletchers. The Government does not have management pwoers.

A 53% government controlled company. They have majority control.

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#2042984 23-Jun-2018 21:53

MikeB4:
Good lord people AirNZ is a company not a government department. They are no different to Spark or Fletchers. The Government does not have management pwoers.

Which is why Shane Jones shouldn't be trying to exert governmental influence over it... Only he did. Whoops.

In theory they government doesn't have any tangible I influence. However I'd welcome you into 2018, labour's in government, take a look around and see what we're talking about.

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#2043025 24-Jun-2018 00:41

I worked in a company once that was publicly quoted on the FTSE.

A firm of corporate raiders acquired a majority shareholding and essentially informed the board that they tried a 10% return (tens of millions of pounds) immediately on their investment or they'd have the whole board sacked and replaced with more pliable stooges.

In order to raise the funds, the board had to do something complex with the shares and then issue more. Once they had their return, the raiders simply sold their stake.

Majority shareholders really do have power, implied or used, overt or covert.

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#2043064 24-Jun-2018 09:31

gzt:
Dingbatt: Have seen or heard all of my headline predictions within 12 hours of the birth. Not from the Women's Mags though, from the mainstream media. Someone standing outside Auckland Hospital talking about what the PM had to eat (sorry can't bring myself to think of Winny as the PM even though he officially is) IS NOT NEWS.

Normal these days. It would have been exactly the same if the last prime minister had a baby in office.

I think if either of the two previous PMs had given birth that definitely would have been news! (Possibly even the last three ;-/)
My point is more about the purile nature of today's news media.
Had a baby.
All well.
We'll let you know what they are calling her.
Nothing more to see, move on.

Mind you. By announcing on a public forum like social media (including photos) I'm not sure where privacy now sits.

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#2043067 24-Jun-2018 09:54

Dingbatt:
gzt:
Dingbatt: Have seen or heard all of my headline predictions within 12 hours of the birth. Not from the Women's Mags though, from the mainstream media. Someone standing outside Auckland Hospital talking about what the PM had to eat (sorry can't bring myself to think of Winny as the PM even though he officially is) IS NOT NEWS.

Normal these days. It would have been exactly the same if the last prime minister had a baby in office.

I think if either of the two previous PMs had given birth that definitely would have been news! (Possibly even the last three ;-/)
My point is more about the purile nature of today's news media.
Had a baby.
All well.
We'll let you know what they are calling her.
Nothing more to see, move on.

Mind you. By announcing on a public forum like social media (including photos) I'm not sure where privacy now sits.

If John Key had given birth it certainly would have been news. Are you for real?

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#2043068 24-Jun-2018 09:59

Pumpedd:
Dingbatt:
gzt:
Dingbatt: Have seen or heard all of my headline predictions within 12 hours of the birth. Not from the Women's Mags though, from the mainstream media. Someone standing outside Auckland Hospital talking about what the PM had to eat (sorry can't bring myself to think of Winny as the PM even though he officially is) IS NOT NEWS.

Normal these days. It would have been exactly the same if the last prime minister had a baby in office.

I think if either of the two previous PMs had given birth that definitely would have been news! (Possibly even the last three ;-/)
My point is more about the purile nature of today's news media.
Had a baby.
All well.
We'll let you know what they are calling her.
Nothing more to see, move on.

Mind you. By announcing on a public forum like social media (including photos) I'm not sure where privacy now sits.

If John Key had given birth it certainly would have been news. Are you for real?

Um. No. It was tongue in cheek. But yes I can confirm I am real (not a bot).

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#2043492 25-Jun-2018 12:30

I don't see any comments On the National Party leader an his comments on the radio about the Pm and her baby Surely someone in his party needs to take the guy aside or is this typical off his followers. Commenting on families children. How would he like it if people did the same to him? You cant get much lower. JC must be rubbing her hands together. I see some have had a dig at the naming of the baby on this forum even. What sort of people are we dealing with.

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#2043506 25-Jun-2018 12:55

gulfa:

I don't see any comments On the National Party leader an his comments on the radio about the Pm and her baby Surely someone in his party needs to take the guy aside or is this typical off his followers. Commenting on families children. How would he like it if people did the same to him? You cant get much lower. JC must be rubbing her hands together. I see some have had a dig at the naming of the baby on this forum even. What sort of people are we dealing with.

I don't think either National Party or Labour Party shills are wanting to highlight that.

Bridges was "trying to be funny" - something anybody advising him should suggest he desists from. His sense of timing, elocution, and reading the audience is lacking. Labour shills probably don't want to highlight his gaffes, as if he continues along that path and remains leader, National are making themselves unelectable.

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#2043519 25-Jun-2018 13:06

Fred99:

gulfa:

I don't see any comments On the National Party leader an his comments on the radio about the Pm and her baby Surely someone in his party needs to take the guy aside or is this typical off his followers. Commenting on families children. How would he like it if people did the same to him? You cant get much lower. JC must be rubbing her hands together. I see some have had a dig at the naming of the baby on this forum even. What sort of people are we dealing with.

I don't think either National Party or Labour Party shills are wanting to highlight that.

Bridges was "trying to be funny" - something anybody advising him should suggest he desists from. His sense of timing, elocution, and reading the audience is lacking. Labour shills probably don't want to highlight his gaffes, as if he continues along that path and remains leader, National are making themselves unelectable.

With Winston in the driving seat at the moment, labour is doing the exact same thing.

I dont see much wrong with Simons comments. its all light hearted fun! If you listen to the actual interview you can put the comments into context. If you going to rely on the media's version of events well then that your own fault, and you will miss the point.

Most questions were put to Simon to generate a response (gender identity. Capital tax gains, voting blue, hearing unions) ... I think he handled it very well. Good kiwi fun IMO

http://www.hauraki.co.nz/video/hauraki-tv/matt-jerry-interview-national-leader-simon-bridges/

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#2044661 27-Jun-2018 11:10

Wiggum:

A 53% government controlled company. They have majority control.

Which they could use to elect a majority of the directors. Do they utilise that right?

When it comes to staff, AirNZ's board will obviously appoint the CEO. They might have involvement in the process of appointing the CEO's direct reports, but this is less likely in a large company than in small one

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#2044662 27-Jun-2018 11:14

kingdragonfly: A bit of a nasty opinion piece in The Independent (UK), should have the subtitle "militant feminist's sour grapes"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-working-mothers-support-childcare-a8411671.html

Why you shouldn't uphold Jacinda Ardern as proof that working mothers can 'have it all'
by Victoria Smith

It is all very well to grant women permission to combine motherhood and career success, but until we both recognise and compensate for the work of parenting, this is rather like giving someone permission to own a yacht

From feminist perspective, tt can't be a happy story if there's a man involved!

I'm not sure of the situation in the UK, but in NZ mothers don't need 'permission' for anything. We have specific legislation that provide rights (and financial support) for new parents. I think we are doing OK. I was a stay at home Dad for a while in the 00's. It was tediously boring and very easy, but it didn't raise many eyebrows.

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#2044674 27-Jun-2018 11:37

gzt:
I thought the article had one excellent point - when parents are able to make a choice for the early years that one parent will be full time 'at home' it is way more likely the parent with the lower income will stay home, and while the gender pay gap exists that choice will not be a particularly equal one.

You may find this interesting - in the last few of weeks the Min for Women have released a report that concludes parenthood largely drives females earning less.

http://women.govt.nz/documents/parenthood-and-labour-market-outcomes

This corresponds to similar work tracking Harvard Business School graduates, that I read a few years ago. They correlated disparities between the earnings and achievements of female and male graduates to women shouldering more of the burden of parenthood.

Getting back to your post, it's second and subsequent pregnancies that would favour mothers being the primary caregiver, because they earn less. In first pregnancies, other factors are at play - social, biological ... etc

It would be interesting to see what happens to comparative incomes within female-female relationships, in cases one partner has the babies.

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#2044920 27-Jun-2018 18:23

Yet another lie today by this Government. During the election campaign they fought through and through on slashing immigration and tightening criteria for immigration.

Today they totally reversed their policy.

Whilst it is positive news, I believe somewhere in this forum most of queried how they were ever going to build any homes without immigration.

I guess this is how to win an election..lie your butt off without care or responsibility.

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#2044975 27-Jun-2018 20:09

MikeAqua:
kingdragonfly: A bit of a nasty opinion piece in The Independent (UK), should have the subtitle "militant feminist's sour grapes"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-working-mothers-support-childcare-a8411671.html

Why you shouldn't uphold Jacinda Ardern as proof that working mothers can 'have it all'
by Victoria Smith

It is all very well to grant women permission to combine motherhood and career success, but until we both recognise and compensate for the work of parenting, this is rather like giving someone permission to own a yacht

From feminist perspective, tt can't be a happy story if there's a man involved!

I'm not sure of the situation in the UK, but in NZ mothers don't need 'permission' for anything. We have specific legislation that provide rights (and financial support) for new parents. I think we are doing OK. I was a stay at home Dad for a while in the 00's. It was tediously boring and very easy, but it didn't raise many eyebrows.

I think the word permission is being used in a very wide, societal way in that context, not s specific actual permission way.

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#2045053 27-Jun-2018 21:56

The problem with that article is that the author treats the child like a yacht, as a mere appendage to a female's life.

Children don't make financial sense. Some people seem to forget that it an incredible privilege to have children, as any mother would tell you.

While gender equality is a noble thought, the two genders are not the same. The privilege of being a mother is priceless. Don't devalue it by putting the price of the gender pay gap on it.

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