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#1708011 23-Jan-2017 13:12

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Big Bang Sheldon actor is planning a radio show -

"My biggest desire is to try and talk about things that are going on in government and the country from a neutral point of view - from a fact-based point of view."

- good luck with that one Jim.

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#1708013 23-Jan-2017 13:18

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Normally I enjoy watching all those press conference from the last President and the press secretary. Now I just felt its like 4 years of dictatorship, my way or no way. Feel sorry for those White House press crops going to face them all the time.

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#1708014 23-Jan-2017 13:19

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DjShadow:

Just seen on twitter, Vegas calling it 4 to 1 odds that Trump doesn't last 6 months

Using "saw it on twitter" does not establish in any way shape or form if it is real. Is it?

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#1708018 23-Jan-2017 13:22

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DjShadow:

Just seen on twitter, Vegas calling it 4 to 1 odds that Trump doesn't last 6 months

What odds were they giving him to win when he first announced his run?

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#1708022 23-Jan-2017 13:23

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Paul1977:

DjShadow:

Just seen on twitter, Vegas calling it 4 to 1 odds that Trump doesn't last 6 months

What odds were they giving him to win when he first announced his run?

The same I recall

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#1708024 23-Jan-2017 13:25

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pinkydot:

Normally I enjoy watching all those press conference from the last President and the press secretary. Now I just felt its like 4 years of dictatorship, my way or no way. Feel sorry for those White House press crops going to face them all the time.

I don't understand what you are saying.

From what I understand Obama primarily ruled by executive order, lacking the ability to pass laws via the house and the senate where the citizen's representatives vote on them. Either Trump eschews executive orders and rules by house and senate voted bills, or does what Obama was already doing.

So Trump cannot be more of a dictator than Obama already was being? What am I missing?

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#1708027 23-Jan-2017 13:28

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rmt38:

pinkydot:

Normally I enjoy watching all those press conference from the last President and the press secretary. Now I just felt its like 4 years of dictatorship, my way or no way. Feel sorry for those White House press crops going to face them all the time.

I don't understand what you are saying.

From what I understand Obama primarily ruled by executive order, lacking the ability to pass laws via the house and the senate where the citizen's representatives vote on them. Either Trump eschews executive orders and rules by house and senate voted bills, or does what Obama was already doing.

So Trump cannot be more of a dictator than Obama already was being? What am I missing?

Obamacare cannot be undone by executive order....

Trumps order on this was really a nothing as the Senate needs to unravel it and it is doing so.

Generally executive orders are a temporary think only for fixed periods of time.

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#1708028 23-Jan-2017 13:29

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rmt38:

This is incorrect, and you can't prove it's true. You're just repeating fake news at this point, from what I've read on the subjects.

It's not media reporting - you just need to watch the raw video of what is he saying, there are dozens or more examples. It's indisputable.

If you need to think so, however the claim made is still unproven fake news that you can't back up, yet it still gets repeated.

unproven fake news?? You can't call something unproven 'fake news'. If something that media purports as truth was proven to be untrue, you can call it fake news. Until then, it's just an unproven statement.

"Fake News" has become the cry of sore winning republicans who simply dislike what's being said about them in the media - true or not. And "alternative facts" is their latest way of trying to blatantly lie about something and pretend the media is doing something malevolent to hurt them rather than just reporting the more accurate version of the "truth". This is very dangerous.

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#1708030 23-Jan-2017 13:30

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rmt38:

DjShadow:

Just seen on twitter, Vegas calling it 4 to 1 odds that Trump doesn't last 6 months

Using "saw it on twitter" does not establish in any way shape or form if it is real. Is it?

Nah - forget Twitter - full of fake news.

Get your facts at Geekzone:

(Ladbrokes odds)

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#1708032 23-Jan-2017 13:32

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ajobbins:

rmt38:

This is incorrect, and you can't prove it's true. You're just repeating fake news at this point, from what I've read on the subjects.

It's not media reporting - you just need to watch the raw video of what is he saying, there are dozens or more examples. It's indisputable.

Still fake news. I've seen raw video that shows otherwise.

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#1708051 23-Jan-2017 13:35

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Pumpedd:

Obamacare cannot be undone by executive order....

Trumps order on this was really a nothing as the Senate needs to unravel it and it is doing so.

Generally executive orders are a temporary think only for fixed periods of time.

Executive orders can be indefinite, but aren't permanent solely in the sense that there are more ways to challenge and overturn them, which aren't possible for bills that passed in the house and senate and were not vetoed.

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#1708054 23-Jan-2017 13:37

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rmt38:

ajobbins:

rmt38:

This is incorrect, and you can't prove it's true. You're just repeating fake news at this point, from what I've read on the subjects.

It's not media reporting - you just need to watch the raw video of what is he saying, there are dozens or more examples. It's indisputable.

Still fake news. I've seen raw video that shows otherwise.

That's a fallacious argument. Raw video you've seen cannot "show otherwise".

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#1708060 23-Jan-2017 13:46

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Pumpedd:

rmt38:

pinkydot:

Normally I enjoy watching all those press conference from the last President and the press secretary. Now I just felt its like 4 years of dictatorship, my way or no way. Feel sorry for those White House press crops going to face them all the time.

I don't understand what you are saying.

From what I understand Obama primarily ruled by executive order, lacking the ability to pass laws via the house and the senate where the citizen's representatives vote on them. Either Trump eschews executive orders and rules by house and senate voted bills, or does what Obama was already doing.

So Trump cannot be more of a dictator than Obama already was being? What am I missing?

Obamacare cannot be undone by executive order....

Trumps order on this was really a nothing as the Senate needs to unravel it and it is doing so.

Generally executive orders are a temporary think only for fixed periods of time.

its probably even simpler.

Trump just needs to stop defending the lawsuit that the House of Representatives bought against the Obama administration saying they lacked the authority to pay insurance subsidies.

Lower court already ruled for the House. Administration appealed. Withdraw the appeal and the it will collapse the market for the Affordable Care Act.

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#1708067 23-Jan-2017 13:53

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Fred99:

That's a fallacious argument. Raw video you've seen cannot "show otherwise".

I can't disprove the fake news you can't prove to begin with, because the fake news is fallacious. At this point the whole conversation has devolved into nonsense.

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#1708071 23-Jan-2017 13:58

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rmt38:

Still fake news. I've seen raw video that shows otherwise.

Just because you dont agree with something does not make it fake news. There is a degree of objectiveness to how you interpret what Donald says and is captured unedited on video, however to say it's untrue means that your interpretation of what constitutes disgusting things to say about women, LGBT or the disabled falls well below most peoples (even his wifes!).

rmt38:

Pumpedd:

I dont find it hypocritical at all to be so critical after the man has been disgusting to women, LBGT community and the disabled on world wide television.

This is incorrect, and you can't prove it's true. You're just repeating fake news at this point, from what I've read on the subjects.

A few quick examples from 3 minutes of Googling. There are many, many, many more.

On Women:
“You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” — from an interview with Esquire, 1991

When a lawyer facing Trump in 2011 asked for a break to pump breastmilk for her infant daughter, The Donald reacted very poorly. “He got up, his face got red, he shook his finger at me and he screamed, ‘You’re disgusting, you’re disgusting,’ and he ran out of there,” attorney Elizabeth Beck told CNN. Trump’s attorney does not dispute that his client called Beck “disgusting.”

“[Angelina Jolie’s] been with so many guys she makes me look like a baby... And, I just don’t even find her attractive,” he said in an interview with Larry King in 2006.

“My favorite part [of ‘Pulp Fiction’] is when Sam has his gun out in the diner and he tells the guy to tell his girlfriend to shut up. Tell that bitch to be cool. Say: ‘Bitch be cool.’ I love those lines.” — TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald, 2005

And the whole p**** grabbing thing? Come on!

On LGBT:
“Well, it’s the way it is. I have been against (gay marriage) from the standpoint of the Bible," he told Bloomberg's With All Due Respect in 2015.

"It’s like in golf. A lot of people — I don’t want this to sound trivial — but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive. It’s weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can’t sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist."

Women and LGBT at the same time:
(Arianna Huffington) “is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

On the disabled:
The mocking of the disabled reporter is all you need to see. His defences to this are all easily debunkable. He claims he never knew the guy, but had spent plenty of 1:1 time with him in the past and the two knew each other well. He claimed he changed his story, he did not. The claimed his hand movements showed "grovelling" when a) the reporter did not such thing and b) I have never seen anyone "grovel" in that manner before. It simply does not pass the sniff test.

I'm sure there are numerous more examples but I am not going to waste any more time if you insist on ignoring what is right in front of you.

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