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#2061739 24-Jul-2018 15:19

RogerThat:

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I can't see how any of the things you mention - if indeed they are actually being done - will in any way lift NZ from a low wage economy into a high wage economy. Wealth redistribution (a euphemism for legalised theft) creates no new money. It all looks rather like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me.

I don't think its right to be striving for a high wage economy. Far better to strive for an equal wage economy.

Ah. Venezuela is your ideal place then....

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#2061766 24-Jul-2018 15:55

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Ah. Venezuela is your ideal place then....

You have just been brainwashed by exaggerated news reports.

The situation in Venezuela is the result of a United States led economic war on Venezuela to sabotage the government. I blame the USA for the mess there. Just like everywhere else where facist racist sexist right wing Hillbilly Trumplethinskin sticks his filthy US nose.

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#2061777 24-Jul-2018 16:11

RogerThat:

Geektastic:

Ah. Venezuela is your ideal place then....

You have just been brainwashed by exaggerated news reports.

The situation in Venezuela is the result of a United States led economic war on Venezuela to sabotage the government. I blame the USA for the mess there. Just like everywhere else where facist racist sexist right wing Hillbilly Trumplethinskin sticks his filthy US nose.

What? Do you really think Chavez and Maduro have no bearing on that? Two tinpot dictators that took over - Chavez after spending time in prison for a failed coup, then being elected on a populist platform and Maduro just being a failed communist that let his people die of hunger.

Surely you jest.

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#2061786 24-Jul-2018 16:20

They far from saints, but the USA economic involvement took the situation from bad to worse, and just escalated things to where they are today. Equality had nothing to do with the problems there like geektastic is making out.

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#2061793 24-Jul-2018 16:28

I’m sure that The USA was also to blame for the failure of socialism everywhere else it’s been tried too huh?
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia 1975?
Castro in Cuba from 1958?
East Germany 1949 - 1990?
Soviet Poland 1945?
Peoples Repiblic of Romania 1974?
USSR?

You must be trolling.

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#2061813 24-Jul-2018 17:04

Those weren't / aren't "socialist" - they're an assortment of totalitarian regimes.

The US certainly acted as a nail in the coffin, sometimes through provocation, sometimes just because of fear it could spread.

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#2061820 24-Jul-2018 17:42

Fred99:
Those weren't / aren't "socialist" - they're an assortment of totalitarian regimes.

Well D’uh! how else are you going to convince people to perform different jobs for the same pay?
Some jobs are more dangerous, some more onerous, some more unpleasant, some requiring years of training...

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#2061824 24-Jul-2018 17:48

Reciprocity:
Fred99:

Those weren't / aren't "socialist" - they're an assortment of totalitarian regimes.

Well D’uh! how else are you going to convince people to perform different jobs for the same pay?
Some jobs are more dangerous, some more onerous, some more unpleasant, some requiring years of training...

Socialism doesn't dictate that all jobs have equal pay.

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#2061834 24-Jul-2018 18:08

Perhaps not, but that’s exactly what was being suggested here.

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#2061837 24-Jul-2018 18:14

Reciprocity: Perhaps not, but that’s exactly what was being suggested here.

Where? I back-tracked a couple of pages. Zip. Maybe I need to look harder - or you can direct me to the post?

Ah - I found it - "better to strive for an equal wage economy".

I disagree. Better to strive for equality of opportunity.

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#2061876 24-Jul-2018 18:33

Fred99:

Ah - I found it - "better to strive for an equal wage economy".

I disagree. Better to strive for equality of opportunity.

You cannot achieve equality of opportunity as everybody is different. Some people are disabled, some with mental health issues. Some refuse to work. There can never be "equality of opportunity". How do you propose that works?

Similar thing can be said about striving for a "high wage economy". Its out of reach to many. If everybody was paid the same, or given the same, it will create an equal fair society for all of us. The rich people currently earn it all and will take it all and leave very little for the disadvantaged. I don't really view communism as the bad thing everybody makes it out to be, I also see it as a less of an evil when compared to capitalism. And I think our PM Jacinda would have my back on this one.

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#2061882 24-Jul-2018 18:46

Ardern has publically said she is a socialist, which I take to mean the scandinavian democratic type. If I recall correctly Labour was talking about policy examples from that part of the world before the election for some reason. Communist? I doubt it.

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#2061885 24-Jul-2018 18:50

gzt: Ardern has publically said she is a socialist, which I take to mean the scandinavian democratic type. If I recall correctly Labour was talking about policy examples from that part of the world before the election for some reason. Communist? I doubt it.

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#2061886 24-Jul-2018 18:59

RogerThat:

Fred99:

Ah - I found it - "better to strive for an equal wage economy".

I disagree. Better to strive for equality of opportunity.

You cannot achieve equality of opportunity as everybody is different. Some people are disabled, some with mental health issues. Some refuse to work. There can never be "equality of opportunity". How do you propose that works?

Correct, it is unlikely to be achieved, BUT as Fred states it is better to work towards it.

RogerThat:

Similar thing can be said about striving for a "high wage economy". Its out of reach to many. If everybody was paid the same, or given the same, it will create an equal fair society for all of us. The rich people earn it all and will take it all and leave very little for the disadvantaged. I don't really view communism as the bad thing everybody makes it out to be, I also see it as a less of an evil when compared to capitalism. And I think our PM Jacinda would have my back on this one.

So called rich people also pay much more in taxes.

I would prefer to look at things in a different way - higher achievers provide opportunities to support the local economy by providing additional employment opportunities. There is nothing wrong with higher achievers providing income earning opportunities is there? Define rich.

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#2061887 24-Jul-2018 18:59

RogerThat:

Fred99:

Ah - I found it - "better to strive for an equal wage economy".

I disagree. Better to strive for equality of opportunity.

You cannot achieve equality of opportunity as everybody is different. Some people are disabled, some with mental health issues. Some refuse to work. There can never be "equality of opportunity". How do you propose that works?

Similar thing can be said about striving for a "high wage economy". Its out of reach to many. If everybody was paid the same, or given the same, it will create an equal fair society for all of us. The rich people currently earn it all and will take it all and leave very little for the disadvantaged. I don't really view communism as the bad thing everybody makes it out to be, I also see it as a less of an evil when compared to capitalism. And I think our PM Jacinda would have my back on this one.

Why can't the disabled achieve equality of opportunity?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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