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#1712523 29-Jan-2017 22:58

Rikkitic:

If China and the US do go to war, we will be meat in the sandwich.

In that scenario, we won't even be the sandwich crumb on the plate.

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#1712525 29-Jan-2017 23:13

freitasm: UK was never a state and the European Union never a country. Finland was occupied. Different things.

That's a fine line as the US is a federation of states - each with self-government rights. The EU went to pains to avoid use of the "F word" (federation). The UK apparently didn't wish to fall for that.

Plenty of regions with secessionist movements are "occupied". It depends who you ask - and how you ask.

The village of Winneconne seceded from the state of Wisconsin for one day in 1967.

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#1712558 30-Jan-2017 07:37

Wouldnt it be like Scotland leaving the UK?

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#1712590 30-Jan-2017 08:22

Pumpedd:
Wouldnt it be like Scotland leaving the UK?

Scotland cannot unilaterally decide to leave the U.K, London would have to approve and provide the legal process for this to happen.

The same for any State or Commenwealth in the USA, Washington would need to approve and provide the legal process, that is never going to happen.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1712598 30-Jan-2017 08:58

MikeB4:
Pumpedd:

Wouldnt it be like Scotland leaving the UK?

Scotland cannot unilaterally decide to leave the U.K, London would have to approve and provide the legal process for this to happen.

The same for any State or Commenwealth in the USA, Washington would need to approve and provide the legal process, that is never going to happen.

Westminster granted an exemption - that's why the referendum happened (and would have been binding).

There are mild grumblings of support from within the GOP that if California exited, then because it's a large population with a history of overwhelming voting for democratic presidential candidates, if they left then that would "dilute" the democrat popular vote for the remaining states. An issue that California has is that it gets only 10% of the electoral college votes, despite being 12% of the population and providing 14% of the US federal tax base. That's an issue unlikely to be fixed by the GOP for obvious reasons.

Anyway, this is off-topic.

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#1712599 30-Jan-2017 09:02

Fred99:
MikeB4:
Pumpedd:

Wouldnt it be like Scotland leaving the UK?

Scotland cannot unilaterally decide to leave the U.K, London would have to approve and provide the legal process for this to happen.

The same for any State or Commenwealth in the USA, Washington would need to approve and provide the legal process, that is never going to happen.

Westminster granted an exemption - that's why the referendum happened (and would have been binding).

There are mild grumblings of support from within the GOP that if California exited, then because it's a large population with a history of overwhelming voting for democratic presidential candidates, if they left then that would "dilute" the democrat popular vote for the remaining states. An issue that California has is that it gets only 10% of the electoral college votes, despite being 12% of the population and providing 14% of the US federal tax base. That's an issue unlikely to be fixed by the GOP for obvious reasons.

Anyway, this is off-topic.

So as I said London provided the legal foundation for any seperation from the UK.

I I don't think this is off topic.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1712603 30-Jan-2017 09:13

You said it "was not possible" and "could not happen". I'm just saying it could - not that it "would". There's nothing to argue about. Move on.

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#1712605 30-Jan-2017 09:23

Fred99: You said it "was not possible" and "could not happen". I'm just saying it could - not that it "would". There's nothing to argue about. Move on.

I am sure I said this......

"Scotland cannot unilaterally decide to leave the U.K, London would have to approve and provide the legal process for this to happen.

The same for any State or Commenwealth in the USA, Washington would need to approve and provide the legal process, that is never going to happen."

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1712606 30-Jan-2017 09:23

I just saw this tweet and I think it sums up perfectly my thoughts when turning on the news each morning

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#1712611 30-Jan-2017 09:29

Also discussion regarding the future of the USA and the viability of the Union is linked to the performance of the President.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1712613 30-Jan-2017 09:36

freitasm: UK was never a state and the European Union never a country. Finland was occupied. Different things.

Scotland very nearly seceded from the UK and still might. That is not a different thing.

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#1712614 30-Jan-2017 09:38

Laugh of the day from Sean Spicer - so stupid it almost makes me feel sorry for the guy.

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#1712632 30-Jan-2017 09:52

Rikkitic:

freitasm: UK was never a state and the European Union never a country. Finland was occupied. Different things.

Scotland very nearly seceded from the UK and still might. That is not a different thing.

The moves made by Scotland were legally done with approval of the Crown, Scotland was not attempting and will not attempt unilateral decisions and moves to leave the UK. Although different the UK moves to exit the EU are being done under the legally sanctioned procedures but is not the same

as a US State or Commonwealth succeeding from the Union.

The current President does not have huge approval however his actions would not motivate a State or Commonwealth to commit self destruction.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1712636 30-Jan-2017 10:03

Rikkitic:

freitasm: UK was never a state and the European Union never a country. Finland was occupied. Different things.

Scotland very nearly seceded from the UK and still might. That is not a different thing.

Like most Englishmen, in recent years I have come to wish it would...!

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