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#1888763 24-Oct-2017 16:23

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Hard not to laugh (or Cry). Education and Healthcare was something that JA harped on like a record stuck on repeat. She made sure everyone know how bad it was to get healthcare and even wheeled her Grandad out was supposedly mistreated due to lack of resources. Now I see they have, as part of the NZF negotiations taken $1B from their healthcare and Education funds, to promote the regions.

What Did Bill English say this morning " we are just going to have to suck it up" This is a sound comment

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#1888765 24-Oct-2017 16:29

gulfa:

networkn:

Hard not to laugh (or Cry). Education and Healthcare was something that JA harped on like a record stuck on repeat. She made sure everyone know how bad it was to get healthcare and even wheeled her Grandad out was supposedly mistreated due to lack of resources. Now I see they have, as part of the NZF negotiations taken $1B from their healthcare and Education funds, to promote the regions.

What Did Bill English say this morning " we are just going to have to suck it up" This is a sound comment

Huh?

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#1888789 24-Oct-2017 16:53

networkn:

Dratsab: So you think Trump and Ardern are similar?

Are you being serious? Go back and read what I wrote!

You're conflating them. There's a reason for vilifying Trump.

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#1888890 24-Oct-2017 18:56

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936065

Bill English is moving on some of our posters need to do this as well

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#1888915 24-Oct-2017 19:45

Dratsab:

networkn:

Dratsab: So you think Trump and Ardern are similar?

Are you being serious? Go back and read what I wrote!

You're conflating them. There's a reason for vilifying Trump.

No, you are having a comprehension failure, go back and re-read what I wrote.

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#1888916 24-Oct-2017 19:49

gulfa:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936065

Bill English is moving on some of our posters need to do this as well

I'm sorry, so in your view, we are not entitled to be critical of Labour, of JA or anything they do, or have done?

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#1888952 24-Oct-2017 20:42

gulfa:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936065

Bill English is moving on some of our posters need to do this as well

Fat chance of that happening! :-D

These sort of MMP results (minority government) have happened before in other countries. It's actually quite humorous to see the the intensity of some of wailing that's going on over the result. I don't give a toss either way - all politicians lie all the time (moving lips is the give-away) it's just a matter of which particular broom-load of crap they're going to peddle. It's far easier to get on with life but there is a bit of fun to be had along the way.

Edit: missing word

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#1888965 24-Oct-2017 20:59

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The only tangible difference to me is that under a Nat Govt, I would have gotten an additional $20/wk in the hand than I will under labour. Arguably, I don't "need" the tax cut, but it could have meant more debt repayment or possibly more consumerism on my part, but as we aren't struggling to put food on the table, I'm not overly passionate about it.

I see Arderns biggest challanges will be how she manages the makeup of the new Govt, keeping Peters close enough to be useful but not so close as to actually stiffle anything that she wants "her" Govt to achieve. It won't take much prodding from the opposition to drive a wedge through the paper thin alliance of NZ First and The Greens, so this will also require strong leadership.

It will be interesting to see if in 12-24 months time, all those Labour / Greens supporters crowing about how much better life will be under Labour / Greens are actually any better off, or, if there will simply be another excuse why their life is so tough.

I just cant stand her TV face, everytime she is on, I keep thinking of a smiling horse with those big teeth of hers

So you consider $20 (*) a week to be something to discuss when you yourself admit you 'arguably' don't need it. I consider $20 a week scraps thrown from his master's table. The NZ economy is worth 300B / year and you want to mention $20 a week.

Come on , there are big issues at play here.

(*) You wouldn't have seen the $20 anyway, it was an election promise.

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#1888966 24-Oct-2017 21:04

Geektastic:
elpenguino:

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Wow, worried about losing 'your precious' ?

All governments take tax money from those hard done by 'wealth creators' and all governments in countries with an ounce of empathy help those who need it.

I heard bill english promise to elevate 100,000 children out of poverty before the election (that he lost). Is he too left wing for you too?

Face it, she's going to be great. She's going to be much better than charisma free bill english AND what's more, she can pull her own pony tail as much as she likes !!

TBH I'm not remotely interested in funding other people's offspring.

If you want to lift children out of poverty, stop poor people having them.

Why the resentment? Short of cash?

Do you also resent the corporate welfare and bailing out farmers when the rains dont come or the rains come too hard?

You probably resent all those sickness beneficiaries too right? If they choose to get sick , it's their own fault !! (Right?)

And don't get me started on all those maori lesbian solo mother DPB claimants !! Jeez !

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#1889030 24-Oct-2017 23:31

gulfa:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936065

Bill English is moving on some of our posters need to do this as well

And some have had to do this for every election they don't agree with since GZ started... BFD*.

Amazing how many high horses and soap boxes come out when things change. Swings and roundabouts, people. It'll all come and bite your arse one day.

(I have no fish in this race,so I don't care, except to agree with @dratsab.... they're all politicians in the end).

Yes I said fish... Horse racing, especially steeplechase, is getting quite cruel.

* search google for BFD.

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#1889046 25-Oct-2017 01:18

elpenguino:
Geektastic:
elpenguino:

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Wow, worried about losing 'your precious' ?

All governments take tax money from those hard done by 'wealth creators' and all governments in countries with an ounce of empathy help those who need it.

I heard bill english promise to elevate 100,000 children out of poverty before the election (that he lost). Is he too left wing for you too?

Face it, she's going to be great. She's going to be much better than charisma free bill english AND what's more, she can pull her own pony tail as much as she likes !!

TBH I'm not remotely interested in funding other people's offspring.

If you want to lift children out of poverty, stop poor people having them.

Why the resentment? Short of cash?

Do you also resent the corporate welfare and bailing out farmers when the rains dont come or the rains come too hard?

You probably resent all those sickness beneficiaries too right? If they choose to get sick , it's their own fault !! (Right?)

And don't get me started on all those maori lesbian solo mother DPB claimants !! Jeez !

Yes. I resent all forms of beneficiary.

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#1889107 25-Oct-2017 08:38

Geektastic:

Yes. I resent all forms of beneficiary.

So you want to drive on the road, but don't want to pay rates.

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#1889113 25-Oct-2017 08:45

Wow - someone must have spiked Mike Hosking's sour grape juice with some MDMA:

Maybe the new Government's not the end of the world after all

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#1889124 25-Oct-2017 08:57

elpenguino:

sen8or:

The only tangible difference to me is that under a Nat Govt, I would have gotten an additional $20/wk in the hand than I will under labour. Arguably, I don't "need" the tax cut, but it could have meant more debt repayment or possibly more consumerism on my part, but as we aren't struggling to put food on the table, I'm not overly passionate about it.

I see Arderns biggest challanges will be how she manages the makeup of the new Govt, keeping Peters close enough to be useful but not so close as to actually stiffle anything that she wants "her" Govt to achieve. It won't take much prodding from the opposition to drive a wedge through the paper thin alliance of NZ First and The Greens, so this will also require strong leadership.

It will be interesting to see if in 12-24 months time, all those Labour / Greens supporters crowing about how much better life will be under Labour / Greens are actually any better off, or, if there will simply be another excuse why their life is so tough.

I just cant stand her TV face, everytime she is on, I keep thinking of a smiling horse with those big teeth of hers

So you consider $20 (*) a week to be something to discuss when you yourself admit you 'arguably' don't need it. I consider $20 a week scraps thrown from his master's table. The NZ economy is worth 300B / year and you want to mention $20 a week.

Come on , there are big issues at play here.

(*) You wouldn't have seen the $20 anyway, it was an election promise.

For many "middle incomers", it is a very relevant fact. Middle income is mostly ignored by both political parties, "too rich" to get most forms of welfare (working for families etc etc) but not rich enough to live comfortably (ofcourse, comfortably is relative to an individuals perception / interpretation), hence the $20 tax cuts "that had been passed into law" so wasn't an election promise, were one of the few tangible differences between a National lead Govt and a Labour lead Govt for the middle incomers.

Ofcourse there are bigger issues at play, but those that wait for a Government to lift them out of poverty will wait an eternity, its not a Governments responsibility, its their own, a basic fact that escapes many

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#1889154 25-Oct-2017 09:58

No tax cuts, but low getting wage rises wouldn't have got under National.

For ones not getting wage rises how much difference would $20 a week make to their lives anyway.

I was on ME tax rate which National was going to scrap, so after tax cut would've got less then $1 tax cut a week.

Glad the way it worked out.

People cabable of working should be working, but be paid fairly.

The text below is from

https://thepolicyobservatory.aut.ac.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/75928/Bill-Rosenberg-on-NZs-productivity-paradox-v3.pdf

. It was not intended to be low-value; but that was an evitable outcome because the faith in the ‘free market’ providing all solutions was recklessly misplaced. It produced a result that failed in its purpose of increasing the economic growth rate, but instead succeeded in increasing inequality – it redistributed to the rich and wealthy much more effectively than it changed economic performance.

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