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#3072395 4-May-2023 17:48

mudguard: I wonder if Labour could not let her go? IE you're still a Labour MP until you resign? Like not sacking someone, but give them nothing to do?

From what ive read, there are processes. She seems to have not completed all of them? So she is an inbetweener of sorts. Labour and National -wise its an issue. Id prefer issues (and both parties have been awash with people "issues") were dealt with, but my feel is the election will be less about reality and more about these "issues" Ive spent a good amount of time in the US, we are there now. Dirty Laundry rocks. A bit sad.

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#3072570 5-May-2023 07:56

I think there are a portion of the voting public who get all caught up in the politics of politics (scandals, infighting etc), there are a portion who vote the same vote regardless and then the thoughtful voters, analysing the policies and going with what suits them best.

On last elections results, it would seem that those caught in the politics of politics do seem to have quite a substantial influence on results....

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#3074652 10-May-2023 18:20

according to national you vote for whatever other party and labour will win

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#3074878 11-May-2023 08:09

Its an interesting line in the sand that National has drawn. On one hand, it gives voters a pretty clear pathway, Act/National as a partnership or else a three way coalition with Greens/Maori/Labour. Whether you think one is better than the other entirely depends on your perspective for their policies and ability to implement them.

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#3074895 11-May-2023 09:23

sen8or:

Its an interesting line in the sand that National has drawn. On one hand, it gives voters a pretty clear pathway, Act/National as a partnership or else a three way coalition with Greens/Maori/Labour. Whether you think one is better than the other entirely depends on your perspective for their policies and ability to implement them.

Voters like certainty. When Key clearly stated he would not enter into a coalition with NZF that worked. When English waffled on it that didn't work.

I predict that TPM will announce before the election an intention to sit on the cross benches but support a (likely minority) Labour government on confidence and supply. This would be a smart move.

The Greens have made a complete mess of themselves by joining a coalition in which Labour has treated them as a doormat. They have been unable to get any leverage as they have been bound by their coalition agreement.

A confidence and supply agreement from the cross benches is real leverage, and removes the apparent bogeyman of having TPM in government while at the same time allowing unconstrained leverage.

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#3076127 14-May-2023 18:27

Interesting articles, possibly needs an Election 2023 thread

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132038932/political-poll-labour-and-national-neckandneck-and-te-pti-mori-could-still-be-kingmaker

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132022958/damien-grant-we-arent-in-a-cost-of-living-crisis-were-just-poor

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#3077306 18-May-2023 06:04

Budget Day.

Not huge expectations given it is election year, however I would like to see funding set aside for reforming Pharmac or similar. It's clearly not giving the outcomes we need and it does come with a price tag that is measured in lives.

I'd like to see an honest conversation about what funding Pharmac to be able to do what people think it should do (and what is probably doing, but just far too slowly) is going to cost us. Of all of our civil aparatii, this is the one we should not tolerate getting bogged down in the slow Wellington grind of churn without outcomes.

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#3077356 18-May-2023 08:08

I would agree with Pharmac, but also raise for more money for St Johns. That our emergency vehicles aren't Govt funded is an extreme oddity in my mind. Would 100% back funding for them over the countless pet projects and/or "consultants" that have been milking the Govt for the last few years.

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#3077360 18-May-2023 08:13

GV27:

Budget Day.

Not huge expectations given it is election year, however I would like to see funding set aside for reforming Pharmac or similar. It's clearly not giving the outcomes we need and it does come with a price tag that is measured in lives.

I'd like to see an honest conversation about what funding Pharmac to be able to do what people think it should do (and what is probably doing, but just far too slowly) is going to cost us. Of all of our civil aparatii, this is the one we should not tolerate getting bogged down in the slow Wellington grind of churn without outcomes.

The entire health system needs investigation. The split into Health NZ plus the new Maori initiative seems to have just driven overheads and bureaucracy through the roof with no signs of any improvements for the people. It will be interesting to see what is given to health in the budget today as they have been hit really hard by cost of living and supply chain issues.

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#3077363 18-May-2023 08:42

Bluntj:

The entire health system needs investigation. The split into Health NZ plus the new Maori initiative seems to have just driven overheads and bureaucracy through the roof with no signs of any improvements for the people. It will be interesting to see what is given to health in the budget today as they have been hit really hard by cost of living and supply chain issues.

We're all being hit by those. Our health system's decline is just a continuation of a previous trend. There is lots of money for centralisation but not much for the workers we actually need staffing wards.

National's policy about writing off debt wasn't much, to be fair, but it was a step in the right direction for once.

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#3077384 18-May-2023 09:12

Bluntj:

The entire health system needs investigation. The split into Health NZ plus the new Maori initiative seems to have just driven overheads and bureaucracy through the roof with no signs of any improvements for the people. It will be interesting to see what is given to health in the budget today as they have been hit really hard by cost of living and supply chain issues.

Worse than that, establishing the MHA is blatant racism. The Curekids report published in the last two days shows the stark inequities in our healthcare system - with Pasifika bearing the worst outcomes of all.

In an article in the NZ Herald last year "Rob Campbell - Who on earth is being hurt by co-goverance, Dec 15,2022" the author failed to see the hypocrisy of establishing a separate Maori health agency while talking about the "culturally appropriate response to drive health services". He states "Who on earth is hurt by this? Our Ola Manuia plan, driven by a Pasifika team within Te Whatu Ora, is designed to do just that"

Why is there not a separate Pasifika Heath Agency given the stark inequities in the system for our Pasifika community relative to both Maori and European communities?

Why can Health NZ have a Pasifika team to drive health services for Pasifika but need a whole new organisation to drive heath services for Maori?

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#3077392 18-May-2023 09:41

ockel:

Bluntj:

The entire health system needs investigation. The split into Health NZ plus the new Maori initiative seems to have just driven overheads and bureaucracy through the roof with no signs of any improvements for the people. It will be interesting to see what is given to health in the budget today as they have been hit really hard by cost of living and supply chain issues.

Worse than that, establishing the MHA is blatant racism. The Curekids report published in the last two days shows the stark inequities in our healthcare system - with Pasifika bearing the worst outcomes of all.

In an article in the NZ Herald last year "Rob Campbell - Who on earth is being hurt by co-goverance, Dec 15,2022" the author failed to see the hypocrisy of establishing a separate Maori health agency while talking about the "culturally appropriate response to drive health services". He states "Who on earth is hurt by this? Our Ola Manuia plan, driven by a Pasifika team within Te Whatu Ora, is designed to do just that"

Why is there not a separate Pasifika Heath Agency given the stark inequities in the system for our Pasifika community relative to both Maori and European communities?

Why can Health NZ have a Pasifika team to drive health services for Pasifika but need a whole new organisation to drive heath services for Maori?

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#3077641 18-May-2023 19:34

ockel: Worse than that, establishing the MHA is blatant racism.

If that's what you think then I don't think it's going to work how you think it's going to work.

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#3077665 18-May-2023 21:52

sen8or:

I would agree with Pharmac, but also raise for more money for St Johns. That our emergency vehicles aren't Govt funded is an extreme oddity in my mind. Would 100% back funding for them over the countless pet projects and/or "consultants" that have been milking the Govt for the last few years.

my understanding is that there is a bunch of reasons this doesn’t happen, one of those is St. John doesn’t want to lose its charitable status which it can’t keep if it becomes a government entity of completely government funded.

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#3077780 19-May-2023 09:49

Then establish the ambulance system under the official health ministry and let St John focus efforts elsewhere for its charitable status. It just seems ludicrous that such a critical front line emergency response isn't actually part of a Govt structure (like police and fire).

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