How about a Newsom/Whitmer ticket? Either way round.

It would make Trump/Vance look very last century.

SJB: The Dems just have to pick the right candidate and they will win.

FineWine:

 

The big question in the room is; is America ready and are they going to vote for a President, who is a female and of colour❓

 

Sadly, when she loses, it will be blamed on the facts that she is of colour and a female and have little to do with actual tangible points (policies, history of accomplishments, ability to lead, ability to unite etc etc etc)

When the alternative is ... the answer should be obvious ?

SJB:

 

How about a Newsom/Whitmer ticket? Either way round.

 

It would make Trump/Vance look very last century.

 

Newsom has some who think he runs slezy tactics and hes had a lot of bad mistakes, but very good successes. I like him but I just dont know if the US does.

Personally I would go Wes Moore (even if he wont put his hand up out of respect) and maybe Whitmer. Wes Moore is the REAL JD. His record is impeccable, and he actually not only saw combat in Iraq (unlike Vance who only used it in a non combat role to get the US vet learning programme) but he LEAD soldiers in Iraq. He is well known through his Televison ventures, hes on MSNBC a fair bit too. Hes a man of Faith, but he is PRO choice for Women. and obviously a proud black man.

He is exactly what the polling has been calling for, a younger (mid 40s) new path forward

You could put him with Whitmer, Whitmer I guess backs up the female votes, capable etc, plus stategic swing state.

But you could go Moore/Shapiro, same deal swing state, you dont need a female for female votes, you just need men who put it as a priority.

Mark Kelly is the swing state but also the border state vote.

I think likely they would want to win Pen, Shapiro state given the delegate size.

But you could go throw together any of those 5 or so who polled 5% points above Biden 4% above Harris (and that was internal non public but partially leaked, so who knows what other polls they have runs since).

Harris is just endorsed at this stage right? 

it will go to delegate voting in the convention? Because the maority of Dems want the most capable not the next in line. That blue labs poll clearly showed that.

It has to be contested, surely. A hand-picked successor will just kick off the 'Drain the Swamp' thing all over again.

At the moment it's about the worst thing they could do. 

TeaLeaf:

 

Newsom has some who think he runs slezy tactics and hes had a lot of bad mistakes, but very good successes.

 

Haven't the Republicans got a candidate like that? Except no very good successes.

Harris would be a good target for Trump.

She can be tarred with all the same failures attributed to Biden and, in addition, she had special responsibility at the start of Bidens presidency to address the border issues. Which she failed at in many Americans eyes.

She also never got off the starting blocks in the Dems primaries that Joe won last time round.

A clean break from Biden/Harris is needed.

How many voters have said they don't want Biden or Trump? How many would unvote Trump if Biden isn't the alternative?

Well this was certainly interesting news to wake up to.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-predicts-biden-will-stay-presidential-race-2024-07-09/ >> he was wrong.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-21-24#h_abd629627bb2a38b3b6c23aa041e5deb

In a phone call with CNN minutes after President Joe Biden announced his exit from the 2024 race, former President Donald Trump described Biden going “down as the single worst president by far in the history of our country.” 

While it’s unclear who the Democratic nominee will be, Trump said he thinks Vice President Kamala Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden would have been. 

I guess the orange buffoon is not good on self-reflection. Anyway it sounds like he's trying to have it both ways - first he wanted Joe to stay in as he would be easy to beat, now he seems to think that Kamala will be easy to beat.

How about if just not enough people vote for him? Shock, horror, what a thought...

I also read somewhere (maybe The Bulwark) that Republicans are so confident in Trump winning that they are totally incapable of handling loss, and if they lose it will only be because of "election fraud" 🙄

Found this which explains their ignorant thinking: https://archive.ph/7DvJD

Also I think the fact that Biden has endorsed Harris will go some way towards helping her pick up the nomination in the end.

Rikkitic: It is a mistake, though understandable, for Biden to carry on as president. If he resigned that would at least propel Harris into the spotlight and give her the best possible chance to prove herself as leader. She needs to be president now if she is to have any prospect of winning the election. Of course if she was president, that would make the speaker of the House next in line. God what a messed up system America has.

Rikkitic:

 

How many voters have said they don't want Biden or Trump? How many would unvote Trump if Biden isn't the alternative?

 

circa 70% from both parties wanted a younger top of the ticket, but that was a few months back.

The large percentage from the leaked Bluelabs info aside from showing the 15000 registered democratic voters preferred candidates over Biden and Haris (Wes Moore, Kelly, Shapiro etc) was also the vast majority do not want the next in line by default, they want the best candidate (black voters were divided appox 40% wanting the best candidate 40% wanting Harris).

So I would imagine a younger candidate will pick up a lot of those swing voters, it may regain the  some of the 40% of Muslim/middle eastern Swing voters who according M Moore have moved to Trump (although you would hope a lot of immigrants realise the plan under to trump is deportation)

I would imagine if you put a strong leader, well known, strong military background, pro choice for women, who is highly intellectual and intelligent along with a quick thinker and a very well spoken person ie Wes Moore with Shapiro/Grecthen/Kelly, you are going to get a shed load of voters because you have covered all the concerns with Trump and the mistakes Biden/Harris have made along with ticking all the demographics.