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TeaLeaf
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  #3262767 22-Jul-2024 12:36
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gzt: That could also later be seen as a mistake or missed opportunity. We will see. It's all up to the party convention now.

 

yes, whilst dems dont want Harris, she is carrying the Biden/Harris incumbency, but young voters especially may not be thrilled about that. I think whoever gets the nomination at the convention needs to win over young voters and the middle eastern swing voters Michael Moore is on about, even if it contradicts Bidens early decisions on Israel conflict (even he I think regrets being more than defensive, its the Repub party that are meant to push for pro Israel military assistance). Just on the Gaza crisis, Trump will play it both ways, even though he said in the debate he would tell Israel to "finish the job" on Gaza, he or Vance will likely point to the bombings under the Biden admin (young voters largely wont know that they would have done far more than biden to help Israel flatten Gaza)




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  #3262769 22-Jul-2024 12:42
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gzt: 
Harris is great in a committee type setting where she has the floor and the power to examine witnesses kind of thing. Doesn't look so great to me when speaking from the podium or in a debate. I haven't seen Harris much in those contexts and I could be mistaken about Harris there and i don't rule out Harris could step up performance in those areas it might happen.

 

Yes I agree thats a pretty good summary of it. Its the socially awkward parts of her personality people do not like. But, imo her recent campaign speeches have been well measured, and well timed along with powerful/angry when pointing out what Trump plans to do with Democracy.

The other bit is the money she can keep using, although I imagine if they choose a new top of the ticket in the convention, all money gets returned to donors? From there going on what major donors have asked for, there could be a rebound of record setting donations to the new Dem team.....

 

Biden really did an amazing job under the circumstances, I dont think people are over stating that. and he has given 75% of his life serving his country. I dang hope they win because he deserves a sending out fitting of such a human being.


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  #3262779 22-Jul-2024 13:12
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Apparently Newsom is backing Harris and Whitmer is not planning to run. Courtesy of Bloomberg.




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  #3262780 22-Jul-2024 13:14
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Trump's rhetoric pretty much guarantees that if he is not declared the winner, there will be blood in the streets. How bad it will be depends on how widespread his hidden support is.

 

 





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  #3262832 22-Jul-2024 13:27
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Rikkitic:

 

Trump's rhetoric pretty much guarantees that if he is not declared the winner, there will be blood in the streets. How bad it will be depends on how widespread his hidden support is

 

 

I think less people would turn out than he is counting on, plus I would expect the President to have plenty of the national guard and armed law enforcement ready for any would be christo-fascist militia.

 

SJB:

 

Apparently Newsom is backing Harris and Whitmer is not planning to run. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

 

 

all of them had stated that prior to the president pulling out, but if they are nominated by the delegates, Im not sure if any of them would turn down the chance, gven all have also said they plan to run in 2025. Id imagine they will give it a week or so then run a fresh set of polling, both democrat and public polling. Mostly to see if this news gives Harris a boost or not.

 

So many haters on twitter, how do you beat them when Elon had the engineers literally change his own profile by 1000x after seeing Biden was getting millions of views where he was getting low hundred thousands. So much for free speech. 

So many of them saying things like the person has changed by the politics wont. Like Tulsi Gabbard. and yes they are saying Harris will start wars not end them like Trump, who is a man of peace.(palm to head)

But some positives like one youngster Chris Mowrey who posted "Joe Biden, thank you for giving my generation hope. Who’s ready to elect Kamala Harris? Hes calling Trump out in the video ie sxlly abuses women. Went I first saw it 25mins ago I thought how nice, but only 200k views, how can these decent people compete with who Musk puts on blast. But just looked back and its over 350k views, it might go viral. The young people need this, its unfair of Musk to create a censored platform and give people different algorithms and then call it "free speech"


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  #3262889 22-Jul-2024 13:50
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Just quickly on Trump, musk, twitter

Is it just NZ still having to pay $1 or is it worldwide now?

I closed my account, and was too late when tryng to sign back in, now it wants that US $1, but I dont want to use my own credit card with my name etc. I wonder if there are any work arounds.

Im wondering if you could use one of those visa prezzy cards from the supe market, but it asks for a name we paying, could just put any name but not sure what visa prezzy cards load for the name field.


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  #3262912 22-Jul-2024 15:12
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  #3262913 22-Jul-2024 15:19
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So many of them saying things like the person has changed by the politics wont. Like Tulsi Gabbard.

Tulsi Gabbard at this point is known for being 10 kinds of nuts and known to have met Trump for discussions in 2016, spoke at CPAC and reported to have continued to meet with Trump in 2024 wanting to be Trump's vice-president. Most people will be wary of any statements made by her and it is more or less safe to say she is no longer a Democrat.

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  #3262945 22-Jul-2024 16:02
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CNN: Biden drops out of presidential race and endorses Harris to be nominee

Biden withdraws: President Joe Biden ended his reelection bid and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris to succeed him on Sunday. The president said he will finish his term and will address the nation later this week.

A possible historic nominee: Harris said she’s “honored” to receive Biden’s endorsement and vowed to “earn and win” the nomination. Harris could be the first Black woman and first Asian American to lead the ticket of a major political party. In a move that would give her access to the campaign funds, the Biden-Harris campaign amended filings with the Federal Election Commission to rename its principal committee and declare Harris a candidate for president.

What happens next: Despite Biden’s backing, it remains unclear whether Harris will become the nominee, or what process the party will take to select an alternative. In addition, sources close to Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia independent, said he’s considering re-registering as a Democrat and throwing his hat into the ring to run for president.

Trump reacts: In a phone call with CNN after Biden announced his exit, Trump described Biden as “the worst president by far in the history of our country.” The former president issued a fundraising appeal in a message to supporters.

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  #3262955 22-Jul-2024 16:23
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Kamala Harris releases statement after Biden steps down from 2024 race

Vice President Kamala Harris vowed she would fight for the Democratic presidential nomination after President Joe Biden said he would be dropping out of the 2024 presidential election and endorsed her.

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  #3262961 22-Jul-2024 16:47
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Endorsement may not be flowing in early as it just feeds conspiracy theories.
See who wants to make a credible challenge. Let polling have a chance to settle and such.

 

It's risky, 
Can you be sure that certain elements that would want to create disruption,
would eagerly fund alternative candidates that create division. 

 

The Roger Stone type of dirty tricks that others have learnt suckling on his poison.
You finance disruptive candidates, and movements that would see the world burn before compromise.

 

Start to pry apart the various factions within the party.
A divisive, combative selection process ensues.

 

It will be no less wild, maybe more wild, if Trumplicans start to feel insecure.


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  #3262962 22-Jul-2024 16:47
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FineWine:The big question in the room is; is America ready and are they going to vote for a President, who is a female and of colour❓

 

Interesting article from Radio NZ

 

With Kamala Harris, Democrats would bet against US history of sexism, racism

 

The Democratic party will be taking a historic gamble if it now turns to Vice President Kamala Harris to become its presidential candidate, betting that a Black woman can overcome racism, sexism and her own missteps as a politician to defeat Republican Donald Trump………

 

In more than two centuries of democracy, American voters have elected only one Black president and never a woman, a record that makes even some Black voters wonder if Harris can crash through the hardest ceiling in US politics………





Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.


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  #3263018 22-Jul-2024 17:06
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FineWine:

 

The big question in the room is; is America ready and are they going to vote for a President, who is a female and of colour❓

 

 

The big question in the room is Harris a good enough politician to overcome the mess left by Biden that racism and sexism come into play? The question is very much moot.


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  #3263033 22-Jul-2024 17:26
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Just a football group I miss conversing with. If honest Im tired of it bieing weaponized. and Musk creating his super jacked up profile because nobody was paying attention to him. One thing Id love to see happen is the removal of his profile and just let free speech occur, or just have a normal profile like everybody else.

 

What is odd, I logged in my account, no charge, I then tried with another gmail, no charge. But all of a sudden within Id say the last four weeks the charge has been enforced.

 

I think Johnny Harris uncovers near all with this documentary on Musk and how he is using his 1000x profile to put some really bad actors in the GOP on full blast, the Dems have no chance against it. It should be shut down until he lets free speech be free and fair. Presidential immunity. But could cost the Dems by being seen to be censoring, but just asking him to remove his mega profile powers would be enough.

 

 

gzt: 
Tulsi Gabbard at this point is known for being 10 kinds of nuts and known to have met Trump for discussions in 2016, spoke at CPAC and reported to have continued to meet with Trump in 2024 wanting to be Trump's vice-president. Most people will be wary of any statements made by her and it is more or less safe to say she is no longer a Democrat.


This is on her Twitt profile: 2020 Presidential candidate. Former Congresswoman. Soldier. Surfer. Veteran.

 

Where did she come from to have been in Congress, I assume 16-20?


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  #3263095 22-Jul-2024 17:50
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I predict Josh Shapiro Presidenitial Nominee, with Kamala Harris VP Nominee

 

Meanwhile the white supremacists have a problem with Vance's Indian (Asian) wife, but that shouldn't stop them voting Trump


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