Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1846991 15-Aug-2017 12:32

Fred99:

OK - this statistic from Alexa is interesting:

Which sites did people visit immediately before this site? (the nazi site referred to above)

Site Percent of Unique Visits 1. google.com 11.7% 2. youtube.com 9.4% 3. facebook.com 3.2% 4. twitter.com 2.5% 5. reddit.com 2.1%

I'm not sure about social media's role. Of course we all get an extremely biased view of what's going on out there - not hard to guess that there's never any alt-right news to be seen on my FB page.

I suppose that in the like attracts like way it works, then if you're that way (alt-right) inclined, then you're going to be reinforced through your social media feed - but I don't know 'cause I don't see it.

The % of previous page held by google/youtube - compared to social media does make me wonder about the Alphabet motto "do the right thing". OTOH I'm also not in favour of censorship in general - especially if corporates get to decide what we do and don't see.

It is a real dilemma. Should there be limits to free speech? In fact, there already are, but how far should they go? Who gets to decide them? What about democracy? Does it inevitably lead to populism and Alt-Right and Trump? Do we need a system more like Singapore's? Or maybe Venezuela? How do you draw the line?

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#1847007 15-Aug-2017 12:56

It isn't a dilemma. Without free speech you don't get democracy. Simple as that. If you value democracy you will hear people saying things you don't like. Guaranteed.

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#1847077 15-Aug-2017 14:24

DaveB:
Meanwhile ........... CNN US at 7.30 this morning.

It was funny to watch the expressions of the people not talking: a mixture of disdain and disbelief

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#1847095 15-Aug-2017 14:49

gzt: It isn't a dilemma. Without free speech you don't get democracy. Simple as that. If you value democracy you will hear people saying things you don't like. Guaranteed.

There doesn't seem to be much support for preserving the right to free-speech for terrorists like ISIL.

I'm not sure why self-proclaimed supporters of the regime that resulted in the worst genocide in human history should expect us to protect their "right" to free speech.

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#1847151 15-Aug-2017 15:46

Fred99:

I'm not sure why self-proclaimed supporters of the regime that resulted in the worst genocide in human history should expect us to protect their "right" to free speech.

Because only protecting the rights of the people you like is exactly what people like them do.

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#1847152 15-Aug-2017 15:50

It is possible that Mr Trump could visit here as part of APEC in 2021. Should be riveting and I for one can't wait to see the him...lol

I can foresee the protest planning starting already.

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#1847163 15-Aug-2017 16:03

Pumpedd:

It is possible that Mr Trump could visit here as part of APEC in 2021. Should be riveting and I for one can't wait to see the him...lol

I can foresee the protest planning starting already.

I'd be very surprised if Trump is still in power then. The evidence seems to be mounting at an ever increasing rate on the Russian collusion front. The below Twitter thread is an excellent analysis on the latest to emerge today.

(THREAD) BREAKING—Washington Post Says Spring 2016 Trump Campaign Emails Confirm Ongoing Effort to Set Russia Meetings (See thread for more) pic.twitter.com/WO00bLad5h

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) August 14, 2017

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#1847166 15-Aug-2017 16:07

DaveB:

Meanwhile ........... CNN US at 7.30 this morning.

Divide and conquer

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#1847172 15-Aug-2017 16:28

dclegg:

<snip> (THREAD) BREAKING—Washington Post Says Spring 2016 Trump Campaign Emails Confirm Ongoing Effort to Set Russia Meetings (See thread for more) pic.twitter.com/WO00bLad5h

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) August 14, 2017

From this twitter site, another satirical Time cover:

(click to view)

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#1847175 15-Aug-2017 16:36

dclegg:

I'd be very surprised if Trump is still in power then. The evidence seems to be mounting at an ever increasing rate on the Russian collusion front. The below Twitter thread is an excellent analysis on the latest to emerge today.

(THREAD) BREAKING—Washington Post Says Spring 2016 Trump Campaign Emails Confirm Ongoing Effort to Set Russia Meetings (See thread for more) pic.twitter.com/WO00bLad5h

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) August 14, 2017

What does that matter whether he's in power or not? I don't see any sign of him not being in power.

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#1847181 15-Aug-2017 16:49

Batman:

What does that matter whether he's in power or not? I don't see any sign of him not being in power.

Having the USA run by authoritarian american so-called christian evangelists, headed by President Pence doesn't do a lot for me.

Less chance of war with Korea perhaps, but a very big step closer to "The Handmaid's Tale".

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#1847185 15-Aug-2017 16:52

Fred99:

Having the USA run by authoritarian american so-called christian evangelists, headed by President Pence doesn't do a lot for me.

Less chance of war with Korea perhaps, but a very big step closer to "The Handmaid's Tale".

An interesting read on that one.. 'No, Pence will not be "worse than Trump"'

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#1847241 15-Aug-2017 19:02

MikeB4:

DaveB:

Meanwhile ........... CNN US at 7.30 this morning.

Divide and conquer

The interesting conclusion I came to, after watching the unrelenting CNN US, MSNBC and Fox US news feeds on this over the past few days, is that we have opposing sides filled with pure vicious anger and blind hate. Alt right, alt left, liberal lefties, right swingers? They are all as bad as each other!

It is so sad to see what is going on, slowly spreading outside the US and infesting some good social media and discussion sites. Sad indeed.

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#1847244 15-Aug-2017 19:17

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#1847245 15-Aug-2017 19:17

DaveB:

MikeB4:

DaveB:

Meanwhile ........... CNN US at 7.30 this morning.

Divide and conquer

The interesting conclusion I came to, after watching the unrelenting CNN US, MSNBC and Fox US news feeds on this over the past few days, is that we have opposing sides filled with pure vicious anger and blind hate. Alt right, alt left, liberal lefties, right swingers? They are all as bad as each other!

It is so sad to see what is going on, slowly spreading outside the US and infesting some good social media and discussion sites. Sad indeed.

By that are you trying to suggest that CNN, MSNBC are promoting vicious anger as an "opposing side" to Trump's behaviour?

No - they're not "as bad as each other".

Forgetting policy or position - left or right - Trump is a dirty filthy liar. It's that simple. That some don't like to be told that their President is a dirty filthy liar doesn't change the fact that he is.

I'm pleased that at least outside the US, condemnation of Trump is nearly unanimous. If social media has a part in that - then good job.

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