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  #3136128 28-Sep-2023 21:02
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tdgeek:

 

Thats where I find Labour weak. Inherited Sh!te. (from both parties) But they won't say that. When National win and it goes pear shaped, they will blame Labour.

 

Labour need to man up. 

 

JK got in, as a fresh face, and I voted for him. Good calm manner, great. But it became fake. Poor guy made good, did nothing "we are a market driven economy" got the Kinghthood and bailed, leaving Bill English, who deserves a knighthood in no mans land. Luxon is the same, a bucket list politician. He came from a business background that JK didnt, my feels were good. A real CEO is better than most career politicians. Making a profit, which in Government will work, if the shareholders are the population. But seemingly it seems a case of another shortcut bucket list politician.

 

Tax cuts - JK. No we wont raise GST. Months later he did. Now, I have no issue if raising GST (i.e. increasing taxes) was a good idea or not, the issue is trust. (Personally I feel raising taxes is good as NZ does not have the revenue stream it needs)

 

For those that say that JK WAS a business background, no. he made his millions on FOREX in Hong Kong IIRC, not from a real business that employs real people, and makes real profits. They lubricate the economy. Employ 1000 people but your profits are only 2 Mill? Crap, but you are lubricating the economy, wages and GDP. Trading in FOREX offshore, not so much

 

 

Nicely summarised.. your right they can't use the right spin.. there attack ads could say exactly above..

 

" the last national Government voted in 

 

  • a fresh faced business man John Key, xyz as you said
  • increased GST
  • sold our State power
  • sold out state homes
  • increased debt to pay for tax cuts
  • pushed hospitals to defer capital investment
  • has less police per 10000 people
  • allowed too much immigration, not matching  infrastructure needed"



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  #3136156 28-Sep-2023 22:17
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tdgeek: Bit of a turn up article I thought that was put to bed


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300979367/new-survey-shows-widespread-support-for-taxes-on-capital-gains-and-windfall-profits


That's a recent survey and an interesting one. Change in that area is overdue in NZ. Corporate windfall profit tax is widely supported not really a vote winner by itself.

Looks like the Green Party going into the election is the only one with the policy?

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  #3136179 29-Sep-2023 02:02
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gzt:
tdgeek: Bit of a turn up article I thought that was put to bed

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300979367/new-survey-shows-widespread-support-for-taxes-on-capital-gains-and-windfall-profits

 


That's a recent survey and an interesting one. Change in that area is overdue in NZ. Corporate windfall profit tax is widely supported not really a vote winner by itself.

Looks like the Green Party going into the election is the only one with the policy?

 

In my opinion the Green Party is the only one going into the election with policies intended to benefit the average New Zealander. Which is pretty sad. So whether it counts or not, I know where my party vote is going (though annoyingly enough I have to make my way into Brisbane CBD to exercise it).

 

It astonishes me that Labour is ignoring this. Once you bring it up, the public will usually join you for the ride and support the change.




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  #3136194 29-Sep-2023 06:33
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Kyanar:So whether it counts or not, I know where my party vote is going (though annoyingly enough I have to make my way into Brisbane CBD to exercise it).

 

 

Why? If you are on the electoral roll you can do it from here.

 

https://vote.nz/overseas/vote-from-overseas/downloading-your-voting-papers/

 

 


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  #3136339 29-Sep-2023 10:04
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I can't wait for NZ First to come in at 4.99% and we can be rid of them forever. Look at this nonsense:

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-09-2023/peters-defends-decision-on-2017-coalition-and-repeats-bill-english-claims

 

 


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  #3136415 29-Sep-2023 11:04
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Only a few weeks to the election, Winston could still pull a rabbit out of the hat yet.

 

Relieved to see Gunn's party sitting on barely 1% support (not that she even deserves that much). I think that's going to be where it peaks, too.


 
 
 
 

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  #3136514 29-Sep-2023 13:05
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GV27:

I can't wait for NZ First to come in at 4.99% and we can be rid of them forever. Look at this nonsense:


https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-09-2023/peters-defends-decision-on-2017-coalition-and-repeats-bill-english-claims


 



Maybe left voters should vote for Winston to be a handbrake for national/act disaster

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  #3136527 29-Sep-2023 13:24
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Eitsop:

Maybe left voters should vote for Winston to be a handbrake for national/act disaster

 

Winston's reputation as a handbrake is vastly overstated. 

 

Twyford buggered up Light Rail before it got anywhere near cabinet, regardless of what Winston had to say about it, and the TWG exercise was basically a waste of time from the second they appointed Cullen as chair.


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  #3136554 29-Sep-2023 14:00
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Eitsop:
GV27:

 

I can't wait for NZ First to come in at 4.99% and we can be rid of them forever. Look at this nonsense:

 

 

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-09-2023/peters-defends-decision-on-2017-coalition-and-repeats-bill-english-claims

 

 

 

 

 



Maybe left voters should vote for Winston to be a handbrake for national/act disaster

 

I imagine many would be tempted at this point in time.

 

A potentially unseemly three-way knife fight and/or omni-shambles from the three stooges could prove very entertaining and possibly be Labour's ticket to a quick return if they can manage to not meltdown themselves after a defeat.

 

The problem would be how much damage could they do in the meantime?

 

And you'd be partially responsible for helping bring it about. 


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  #3136625 29-Sep-2023 16:18
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Handle9:

 

Why? If you are on the electoral roll you can do it from here.

 

https://vote.nz/overseas/vote-from-overseas/downloading-your-voting-papers/

 

 

Correct, but then you have to get the papers witnessed. Much easier to just catch a bus or whatever and vote in person, Electoral Commission Queensland are authorised Elections NZ returning officers.


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  #3136650 29-Sep-2023 17:23
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https://www.newsroom.co.nz/a-short-history-of-nz-first-falling-out-of-coalition-love >> Newsroom takes an analytical look at all the governments/coalitions Winston has ever been part of (and why most of them have ended badly).


 
 
 

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  #3136654 29-Sep-2023 17:38
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Handle9:

 

Why? If you are on the electoral roll you can do it from here.

 

https://vote.nz/overseas/vote-from-overseas/downloading-your-voting-papers/

 

 

Correct, but then you have to get the papers witnessed. Much easier to just catch a bus or whatever and vote in person, Electoral Commission Queensland are authorised Elections NZ returning officers.

 

 

My wife witnesses my vote, I witness hers.

 

It doesn't have to be witnessed by a JP or anything exotic.

 


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  #3136656 29-Sep-2023 17:43
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GV27:

 

I can't wait for NZ First to come in at 4.99% and we can be rid of them forever. Look at this nonsense:

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-09-2023/peters-defends-decision-on-2017-coalition-and-repeats-bill-english-claims

 

 

If only. Luxon pretty much confirmed his presence this week by saying he'd go into coalition with him. 

 

The corrupt git needs to disappear.


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  #3136669 29-Sep-2023 18:33
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Eitsop: 

Maybe left voters should vote for Winston to be a handbrake for national/act disaster

 

If you felt that Luxon and Nicole were the bees knees, then yes. They are good with numbers, so why not?


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  #3136673 29-Sep-2023 18:36
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tdgeek:

 

If you felt that Luxon and Nicole were the bees knees, then yes. They are good with numbers, so why not?

 

 

I would prefer The Opportunities Party.. but they won't get in.. So Greens it will be.. Labour just don't present a compelling case


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