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#3104519 15-Jul-2023 21:13

Technofreak:

I don't have a problem with the word indigenous. It refers to the original occupiers of that land or country. Someone can be European, Maori, or any other ethnicity, but not necessarily be indigenous because of where they are living. Then again they may well be indigenous in another location. A European living in England who's forebears lived there from time immemorial would be an indigenous person, whereas a Maori living in thr UK would not be indigenous.

:-), I'm quite familiar with the term. What I am not that familiar with is why its the modern term to identify the original occupier. Admittedly its not the frequent term in NZ, but its the the main term to use elsewhere, specifically USA and Australia. And given their horrific past, the term indigenous seems more passive. Under the rug type of thing.

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#3104608 16-Jul-2023 09:43

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Im not saying its racist, but I'd like to know why we use the term. In Australia its THE term to use. If I was an Aborigine, Id like to be called that

And you'd be completely wrong. Many Indigenous Australians actually don't like to be called Aboriginal, a name which was foisted on them by the European settlers. The same as in Canada, where they also do not like to be called Aboriginal. They settle for Indigenous because it doesn't have any inflection positive or negative, it's just a (presumably Latin) rooted word meaning from the place. But ultimately, given a choice they typically use the name of their people/tribe.

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#3104936 17-Jul-2023 09:38

So Labour launched its official slogan for the upcoming election campaign over the weekend. I guess catchy slogans worked (at least in part) in the past, so why not give them a whirl.

I suppose they have to base their campaign on "looking forward" and trying to run a positive campaign, they certainly can't campaign on past successes. Will be interesting to see how much candy is thrown in the air with election promises

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#3105035 17-Jul-2023 12:59

Election campaigns are all about marketing, so of course they will have slogans etc. All the parties have had different slogans over the years and this is no different.

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#3105042 17-Jul-2023 13:10

Varkk:

Election campaigns are all about marketing, so of course they will have slogans etc. All the parties have had different slogans over the years and this is no different.

Well I guess it sounds better than "You're in it because of us" 💩

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#3105056 17-Jul-2023 14:05

We're in it for you(r money)......... (that could probably be applied to most political parties to be fair).

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#3105170 17-Jul-2023 18:22

sen8or:

We're in it for you(r money)......... (that could probably be applied to most political parties to be fair).

For the votes. All the issues we have are decades old so one party wont make a difference, it never has, hence here we are. So its about a 3 year marketing plan condensed to 3 months for all parties.

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#3105182 17-Jul-2023 19:12

tdgeek:
sen8or:

We're in it for you(r money)......... (that could probably be applied to most political parties to be fair).

For the votes. All the issues we have are decades old so one party wont make a difference, it never has, hence here we are. So its about a 3 year marketing plan condensed to 3 months for all parties.

That’s just an excuse. Yes we’ve always had crime but no we did not used to have ram raids and violent robberies on a daily basis and no we did not used to have cumulative sentencing discounts and no we did not used to have routine 6 hour or longer waits in EDs and we did not used to have terrible school attendance.

Education, crime and health standards have suddenly taken a nosedive over the last two parliamentary terms.

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#3105205 17-Jul-2023 19:56

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That’s just an excuse. Yes we’ve always had crime but no we did not used to have ram raids and violent robberies on a daily basis and no we did not used to have cumulative sentencing discounts and no we did not used to have routine 6 hour or longer waits in EDs and we did not used to have terrible school attendance.

Education, crime and health standards have suddenly taken a nosedive over the last two parliamentary terms.

Thats just an excuse. Health, education, housing, infrastructure have always been rubbish here. No nosedives that I can see. But... in your view supremely easily fix as its just a recent locally politically caused issue. Sometimes you need reality not the bias. Another dose of reality, is that little will change no matter who wins on Oct 14. For obvious reasons. As has always been the case.

Tomato prices are through the roof, same deal, if you care to evaluate the background, than the personal desire

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#3105233 17-Jul-2023 20:59

tdgeek:

Thats just an excuse. Health, education, housing, infrastructure have always been rubbish here. No nosedives that I can see. But... in your view supremely easily fix as its just a recent locally politically caused issue. Sometimes you need reality not the bias. Another dose of reality, is that little will change no matter who wins on Oct 14. For obvious reasons. As has always been the case.

Tomato prices are through the roof, same deal, if you care to evaluate the background, than the personal desire

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404762/nz-teenagers-hit-new-lows-in-reading-maths-and-science-tests

The country's average scores in all three subject areas fell slightly, continuing a slide that has been going on for more than a decade in the OECD's prestigious Programme for International Student Assessment.

Our Universities are closing down science subjects because they are too expensive to run compared to income.

I see Massey is about to dump about 160 staff, 100 of which come from science.

I believe Victoria no longer teaches Physics to degree levels

etc etc etc

2/3 of our GPs are due to retire within 10 years, and it takes 10 years to train a GP.

we have 5728 GPs in NZ, so we need to find 3780 replacements over 10 years, or basically 1 new GP per day

We train 500 doctors a year but that is for ALL areas ... but the number wanting to become GPs is falling, we also have retention rates of about 60% and lots of graduate head overseas.

https://www.mcnz.org.nz/assets/Publications/Workforce-Survey/d9d2757aad/Workforce-Survey-Report-2021.pdf

GPs make up 25% of doctors in 2021 vs 37% in 2000. Making it worse is that back in days of yore GPs worked 10/10, ie morning/afternoon 5 days a week, but it is more common for GPs to work 6/10 because of increased paperwork etc. So the number of patient hours by GPs has also fallen with GP numbers .

So yes, things are getting worse and all political parties are to blame.

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#3105285 18-Jul-2023 06:21

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So yes, things are getting worse and all political parties are to blame.

They are for sure, and thats my point. Latterly the pandemic and Ukraines oil price shock have had huge negative effects, that exacerbated the long ongoing negative trends. The Hawkes Bat event just added huge fruit and vege inflation as a kick in the guts, literally.

No easy fixes unless we sprout free money from somewhere.

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#3105289 18-Jul-2023 07:16

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They are for sure, and thats my point. Latterly the pandemic and Ukraines oil price shock have had huge negative effects, that exacerbated the long ongoing negative trends. The Hawkes Bat event just added huge fruit and vege inflation as a kick in the guts, literally.

https://www.berl.co.nz/economic-insights/two-consecutive-quarters-near-record-levels-inflation#:~:text=Released%20the%20week%20prior%20to,getting%20more%20and%20more%20expensive.

Food inflation was above 10% in December, before the severe weather events.

And realistically, there have been huge impacts of things we can actually control. The huge devaluing of our dollar by RBNZ, the devaluing of the value of labour by refusing to index tax brackets, all things we control 100% and cannot be blamed on Ukraine or an oil price shock. They're just things we chose to take the path of least resistance, decisions made by people who get paid massive salaries and who are still getting things wrong with little fear of consequences.

The external events are a thing, for sure, but we are a tiny country. There will literally always be external events happening. They provide a useful excuse if that's what you're looking for, but if we truly have this little control over our own destiny and aren't prepared to ask hard questions about our own decision making at home, then we might as well take Australia up on their offer of Federation, because we can't think for ourselves well enough to run a country.

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#3105290 18-Jul-2023 07:33

Can this mob get anything right?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/jenna-lynch-analysis-embarrassing-correction-to-youth-crime-policy-shows-rush.html

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

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#3105294 18-Jul-2023 07:40

GV27:

https://www.berl.co.nz/economic-insights/two-consecutive-quarters-near-record-levels-inflation#:~:text=Released%20the%20week%20prior%20to,getting%20more%20and%20more%20expensive.

Food inflation was above 10% in December, before the severe weather events.

And realistically, there have been huge impacts of things we can actually control. The huge devaluing of our dollar by RBNZ, the devaluing of the value of labour by refusing to index tax brackets, all things we control 100% and cannot be blamed on Ukraine or an oil price shock. They're just things we chose to take the path of least resistance, decisions made by people who get paid massive salaries and who are still getting things wrong with little fear of consequences.

The external events are a thing, for sure, but we are a tiny country. There will literally always be external events happening. They provide a useful excuse if that's what you're looking for, but if we truly have this little control over our own destiny and aren't prepared to ask hard questions about our own decision making at home, then we might as well take Australia up on their offer of Federation, because we can't think for ourselves well enough to run a country.

Tax brackets are across both parties. Easy money until public pressure mounts. This is standard practice.

RBNZ is attacking inflation, its working. Inflation of this magnitude is global.

You're minimising the pandemic and Ukraine. In not many months we will be four years into the pandemic. How do you support the businesses and economy? You could print money. Borrow. Either way you cause inflation and poor debt to GDP, happened everywhere. Production halted, causing demand inflation. As opening up occurred globally production was still well down. And you get vast Covid sick leave. Im not sure how you can avoid all all that. You could avoid the wage subsidy, but then you just replace that with the dole and businesses going bust. Ukraine, wasnt just pain at the pump, literally everything we do/buy, has a fuel component.

A different party could either complain and blame, but they never came up with another solution. But if there will always be external events happening, I guess its no big deal... As always they get minimised, so, on that, an easy fix for the new government as global stuff isnt that big a deal as has often been mentioned here.

All the ills we have are decades old, but if some wish to portray all that as good as gold until 2017, that's fine. Banter, discussion here or anywhere else wont change the past decades or future decades, until someone re formats our country. Maybe we could have a 15% Muldoon-esque General Wage Order that will keep health, education, construction people here, but when business calls foul over a tiny minimum wage increase, can't do that either. There is no easy fix, but blame away, no matter who wins the election, most of us will enjoy some carrots we cannot afford, and as they say at Fisher and Paykel, rinse and repeat.

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#3105299 18-Jul-2023 07:52

Not sure what Labour will do with taxation. Tax increases are a no go. Everyone wants tax cuts, thats 100% fair given how thresholds continually get ignored. But we all want more $ spent on crucial sectors, so taxation is a double edged sword.

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