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#3137517 1-Oct-2023 22:32

My sincere apologies to both yourself and GV, I got you both mixed up with some other members who post frequently in this thread too and who I thought had recently made a disparaging comment about Bomber (it was actually Handle9 and ockel). Too late for me to edit what I posted, unfortunately. Very sorry about that - that's what you get for posting in a hurry without checking properly 🙁

@freitasm can my post please be edited to remove both Technofreak and GV's names?

For the record then, this is the review of the interview I was referring to: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/10/01/mediawatch-qa-review-winston-vs-jack-tame/

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#3137520 1-Oct-2023 22:42

I watched Sunday this evening with Dunedin Study professor Richie Poulton dies, aged 61 and one thing at 7:25 really resonated with me.

What was most important about that original finding, was that you can't really undo what happens during childhood. So the experience of intense or regular poverty is long-lasting.

This is where my research enters the personal fray, This election is not going to be focused on children in poverty, because we're bored of that. We're tired of that. We're sick of that. We've tried that, haven't we? Have we tried that?

We know about this, we have this world leading longitudinal study showing the clear impact of poverty has on our young, but National will cut the benefits by $2B for our most vulnerable over their first term.

It should be a national disgrace, but it's not.

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#3137521 1-Oct-2023 22:42

quickymart:

My sincere apologies to both yourself and GV, I got you both mixed up with some other members who post frequently in this thread too and who I thought had recently made a disparaging comment about Bomber (it was actually Handle9 and ockel). Too late for me to edit what I posted, unfortunately. Very sorry about that - that's what you get for posting in a hurry without checking properly 🙁

@freitasm can my post please be edited to remove both Technofreak and GV's names?

For the record then, this is the review of the interview I was referring to: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/10/01/mediawatch-qa-review-winston-vs-jack-tame/

Apology accepted. There was no offence taken and no apology required on my part. All good banter.

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#3137524 1-Oct-2023 22:55

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#3137675 2-Oct-2023 11:45

Just saw this this morning. If you haven't seen the interview (disclaimer; I haven't as I can't stand Winston Peters) Newsroom has transcribed the most relevant parts of it here:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/rattled-peters-lashes-out

This tactic is straight out of the Trump playbook - gets asked a difficult question by a reporter/journalist and instead of answering, attacks the person asking it and/or plays the victim.

Quite concerning about his last comment to Jack Tame.

Again, I hope Winston loses. At the moment Luxon is looking like the lesser of two evils (IMO).

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#3137683 2-Oct-2023 12:01

As I said to someone on Mastodon, I won't deny there will be a certain nihilistic pleasure to be derived from watching Luxon thrash around trying to keep Seymour and Peters in check, eventually leading to the realisation that neither selling detergent nor running a monopoly have prepared him to deal with true professional troublemakers.

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#3137687 2-Oct-2023 12:15

Re David Seymour: I would never vote for Act, their policies don't align with my personal beliefs. However, I have to say that I think Seymour is actually a good retail politician. Although I would never vote for him or his party, as a politician I have to admit that I admire him, although I can't say I like him - if that makes sense.

If it came down to choosing between having him or Winston in government, I would probably choose him over Winston.

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#3137688 2-Oct-2023 12:23

quickymart:

Re David Seymour: I would never vote for Act, their policies don't align with my personal beliefs. However, I have to say that I think Seymour is actually a good retail politician. Although I would never vote for him or his party, as a politician I have to admit that I admire him, although I can't say I like him - if that makes sense.

If it came down to choosing between having him or Winston in government, I would probably choose him over Winston.

He's certainly laser-focused on his assigned task to make New Zealand a paradise for his oligarch donors. It's too bad he never grew out of normal teenage libertarianism. Imagine if he'd joined Greenpeace instead.

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#3137885 2-Oct-2023 17:45

SaltyNZ:

As I said to someone on Mastodon, I won't deny there will be a certain nihilistic pleasure to be derived from watching Luxon thrash around trying to keep Seymour and Peters in check, eventually leading to the realisation that neither selling detergent nor running a monopoly have prepared him to deal with true professional troublemakers.

I'm really struggling to find a reason to vote this year.

National, the prudent economic managers, can't use a calculator, Labour are incompetent, Winston is a corrupt race baiter, ACT have the gun people and the Greens hate me as a cis white man.

New Zealand politics is at an all time low.

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#3137887 2-Oct-2023 17:47

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#3137890 2-Oct-2023 17:57

The Election car buying guide.
Buy an EV, Hybrid Car asap get that clean car discount now !
Ute buyers should wait. (Apparently, they are)

TVNZ Political Reporter Gives Up And Calls Election For National
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2309/S00041/tvnz-political-reporter-gives-up-and-call-election-for-national.htm

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Perhaps worried that the audience at home hadn’t quite understood where his story was going Benedict Collins finished off with warning potential EV buyers to ‘get in quickly in the next couple months.’
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#3137894 2-Oct-2023 18:18

After being absent here for a while I like to add 2cents comment.

The election does also appear to me to have a somewhat hidden though serious potential to impact our future. It is rarely spoken about. The right wing parties which I now also include the Labour party like to talk about tax cuts or other lollies to get the voters support. No problems apparently, we've got the money. Meaning the next generation can pay for us or even worse. I am just about convinced having hospitals, schools roads and any other infrastructure incl. water going downhill is a perfect opportunity for the right to get involved, speak private investment.

They will provide a certain starting amount and slowly take over. We only need to look over the fence how that looks like. See GB and USA and others. The influence of the corporate world will help, see one of the large money providers for Nats, Act and NZ First. These corporate want something for their cash. Certainly not for bettering the lives of the workers.

Good luck for your wishes to come through😄

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#3137899 2-Oct-2023 18:37

Noig:

speak private investment.

They will provide a certain starting amount and slowly take over. We only need to look over the fence how that looks like. See GB and USA and others. The influence of the corporate world will help, see one of the large money providers for Nats, Act and NZ First. These corporate want something for their cash. Certainly not for bettering the lives of the workers.

Good luck for your wishes to come through😄

Interested to see the commentary here.

Corporates fund everything, so get ready for leases, fees, tolls, its about margin (and thats fair enough they are a business so they require a return)
Don't privatise, keep it public. We often read that Govt Departments cannot run anything. Thats BS. Sort of. Whoever runs it is a person, Govts or otherwise. Govts if they choose to publicly run function they need to get a corporate management team in. Then you have a "corporate" that is running the function, while avoiding ticket clipping and shareholder dividends. Meaning that taxpayers are the shareholders. Run it as break even, plus CAPEX needs.

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#3137978 2-Oct-2023 20:45

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and the Greens hate me as a cis white man.

As a cis het white man who is also a member of the Green Party ... no they don't?

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#3137983 2-Oct-2023 21:00

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Then you have a "corporate" that is running the function, while avoiding ticket clipping and shareholder dividends. Meaning that taxpayers are the shareholders. Run it as break even, plus CAPEX needs.

Don't fall for this "we need to run government like a business" BS. Businesses exist to create profits for the shareholders. Anyone with half a brain can look around and see where that leads, especially with the kind of "trust me, I used to run an airline" types. The bare minimum quality you can get away with at the highest possible profit margin. Better still if you can swing it so there are no real competitors, which oddly enough is exactly the situation for government services.

"Running government like a business" is the stereotypical neoliberal strategy. Prove governments can't run services by deliberately not running services, and then sell them as monopolies to your mates for cents on the dollar so they can extract the remaining value and complete the process of enshittification.

It's one thing to be worried about waste. But Governments are not meant to make a profit.

Governments are meant to provide a safe environment in which their citizens may flourish. Clean air, water and land. Education, health. Money unspent means hungry kids. Money unspent means medicines not purchased or surgeries not performed. Money unspent means poorer education, contaminated drinking water ... a government run like a business represents a fundamental failure of responsibility to the purpose for which we delegate our collective authority to this edifice of Government.

A government run like a business is a government designed to fail, at your expense, so that someone else can get rich.

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