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#2008997 7-May-2018 09:15

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The White House also announced on Friday that Trump will appoint former bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, famous for playing the Hulk in the television show "The Incredible Hulk" in the 1970s and '80s, to the council for a two-year term.

No way. That's satire, right?

I can't believe I even have to ask.

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#2009000 7-May-2018 09:22

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Hulk smash amendment 34 section 3A subsection 10 paragraph 3!!!

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#2009005 7-May-2018 09:28

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SaltyNZ:

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The White House also announced on Friday that Trump will appoint former bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, famous for playing the Hulk in the television show "The Incredible Hulk" in the 1970s and '80s, to the council for a two-year term.

No way. That's satire, right?

I can't believe I even have to ask.

Not satire, sadly.

My source is CNN: Trump appointing Dr. Oz to his sport, fitness and nutrition council

The last paragraph:

The White House also announced on Friday that Trump will appoint former bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, famous for playing the Hulk in the television show "The Incredible Hulk" in the 1970s and '80s, and New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick to the council for two-year terms.

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#2009219 7-May-2018 14:01

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Some light reading (no - not really) for anybody interested in the sociology behind:

The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue: Proclaiming the Deeper Truth about Political Illegitimacy

Abstract
We develop and test a theory to address a puzzling pattern that has been discussed widely since the 2016 U.S. presidential election and reproduced here in a post-election survey:
how can a constituency of voters find a candidate “authentically appealing” (i.e., view him positively as authentic) even though he is a “lying demagogue” (someone who deliberately tells lies and appeals to non-normative private prejudices)?

Key to the theory are two points:
(1) “common-knowledge” lies may be understood as flagrant violations of the norm of truth telling; and

(2) when a political system is suffering from a “crisis of legitimacy” (Lipset 1959) with respect to at least one political constituency, members of that constituency will be motivated to see a flagrant violator of established norms as an authentic champion of its interests.

Two online vignette experiments on a simulated college election support our theory.
These results demonstrate that mere partisanship is insufficient to explain sharp differences in how lying demagoguery is perceived, and that several oft-discussed factors information access, culture, language, and gender—are not necessary for explaining such differences.
Rather, for the lying demagogue to have authentic appeal, it is sufficient that one side of a social divide regards the political system as flawed or illegitimate.

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#2009266 7-May-2018 14:44

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CNN: porn star Stormy Daniels trolls Trump on 'Saturday Night Live'

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#2009297 7-May-2018 15:22

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Fred99:

Some light reading (no - not really) for anybody interested in the sociology behind:

The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue: Proclaiming the Deeper Truth about Political Illegitimacy

Thanks for the link Fred, very interesting reading.

What a shame that the people who should be reading it, won't understand it. Many of them probably can't read, anyway.

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#2009306 7-May-2018 15:41

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If this president cannot wean himself off the NRA & its funding, he could at least give every school in the USA full on airport style security and an armed guard in each school bus.

I guess he is terrified of the mid terms coming up & the thought of a Dem. controlled congress and senate. Hello impeachment if that happens.

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kingdragonfly: CNN: porn star Stormy Daniels trolls Trump on 'Saturday Night Live'

Wow - that was a great performance - and the audience loved it.

"Sorry Donald, it's too late for that. I know you don't believe in climate change but a storm's a coming baby."

I think she's probably right. What strange times we're living in.

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#2009417 7-May-2018 17:39

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Giuliani running true to form.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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THIS WEEK PROVED GOD EXISTS, AND HE HAS A WICKED SENSE OF HUMOR

By Dana Milbank May 4

This week brought evidence that God exists — and has a wicked sense of humor.

At 6:46 a.m. Thursday, President Trump confirmed to the world what Rudolph W. Giuliani had blurted out on television the night before: Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen the $130,000 in hush money paid to Stormy Daniels over her alleged affair with Trump.

At 11:38 that same morning, Trump stood in the Rose Garden and heralded the National Day of Prayer, complete with references to the “Glory of God” and “God’s mercies and blessings.”

Even CNBC could not resist the pairing: “Trump leads National Prayer Day event after saying he repaid lawyer for hush money to porn star,” the often-staid business-news network tweeted.

Loyal Vice President Pence attempted to burnish the president’s piety. “There’s prayer going on on a regular basis in this White House,” he told the Christian Broadcast Network. (Indeed, prayer is the only basis for White House economic forecasts.) “I’ve lost count of the number of times that the president has nudged me, or nudged another member of the Cabinet, and said, ‘Let’s start this meeting with prayer.’ ”

President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani said on May 6 that Trump wouldn’t need to comply with a subpoena issued by the special counsel. (Patrick Martin/The Washington Post)

That’s odd, because Trump, who proposed a prayer for Arnold Schwarzenegger’s ratings at a prayer breakfast last year, seems not particularly inspired by the whole prayer exercise; his prayer-day remarks consisted largely of ad-libbed adjectives appended to a prepared speech. On the Pences: “They believe. It’s good.” Billy Graham: “Great, great man. Great.” Martin Luther King Jr.: “Great man.” America as a nation of believers: “Right? That’s very true.” People who minister to the poor: “And they really do!”

But what if Trump actually were the prayerful sort? If he were — and, given recent events, it would be advisable — his National Day of Prayer remarks would likely be rather different. Something, perhaps, like this:

Almighty and everlasting God, from whom comes every good and perfect gift, give Rudy Giuliani the gift of discretion. Lead him no more, I beseech thee, to the Altar of Hannity. Grant him the wisdom to know what he does not know, and the courage not to fake it. Give him pause when he would speak about those who say they have lain with me.

Eternal God, ruler of all things in heaven and earth, bring peace to the souls of those who have departed my legal team, some before they began, including Ty Cobb, John Dowd, Joe diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Dan Webb, Tom Buchanan and Marc Corallo. I commend to thy Fatherly goodness those afflicted souls who have fallen in service to me, especially Ronny Jackson, David Shulkin, H.R. McMaster, Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohn, Tom Price, Steve Bannon, Anthony Scaramucci, Reince Priebus, Sean Spicer, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Richard Gates. But not Andrew McCabe.

Deliver me, O Lord, from Robert Mueller, and deliver me no subpoena. Lead me not to plead the Fifth. And of Thy mercy cut off mine enemies, particularly Rod Rosenstein and Adam Schiff. O Prince of Peace, spare me James Comey, for he hath persecuted my soul.

O God, fountain of wisdom, make people none the wiser that I lied about the hush money. Pardon me, heavenly Father, as I have pardoned Scooter Libby and Joe Arpaio.

Almighty God, inspire the evangelicals to remain faithful to me, with everlasting and unlimited forgiveness. Lift up my followers at Fox News, especially Neil Cavuto, who has lapsed.

Forgive me my debts, O Gracious Father, to Michael Cohen, for the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York would notice further payments. Look with compassion on Michael, and inspire him to turn toward you, and not be turned by prosecutors.

O God, whom saints and angels delight to worship in heaven, heal those who are broken in body and spirit. (Yet do not hesitate to send down on Michael Avenatti a case of laryngitis.) Restore, I pray, the dignity of Sarah Sanders; she knows not what she says. Revive Harold Bornstein from his fragility, and inspire him to take it down a notch.

Watch over Thy child Scott Pruitt, O Lord, and grant him a day without a new scandal. May John Kelly, guided by Thy Providence, cease calling me names. May Marco Rubio complain no more about the tax cut. May Jared Kushner not revise his financial disclosures for the 41st time.

By your grace, hold the tongue and pen of Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal and many others, that they grant no further interviews nor write memoirs.

Bless Alan Dershowitz. Raise up Devin Nunes. Strengthen Bibi. And, for heaven’s sake, cut the mustache of John Bolton.

Finally, O Eternal God, grant that my greatness be known throughout this land. For mine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory. Amen.

Twitter: @Milbank

Read more from Dana Milbank’s archive.

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#2009573 7-May-2018 20:04

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geekIT:

Thanks for the link Fred, very interesting reading.

What a shame that the people who should be reading it, won't understand it. Many of them probably can't read, anyway.

Below is a shortened CNN summary for those that have either:-

a. A Full time job or

b. A life

Very interesting reading indeed and a couple of key points to keep in mind

Here's how: Norms are establishment-defined expectations we have for how people should behave in a functioning society. Not lying, for example. So when anti-establishment voters see a candidate, like Trump, so blatantly and unapologetically breaking a norm, it's not only forgivable to them, it can actually be desirable as a protest against the system.
"You should never assume that just because a norm is publicly endorsed that it's privately endorsed as well," says one of the authors, Ezra Zuckerman Sivan, a professor and deputy dean of MIT's Sloan School of Management. "And so that creates the raw material for someone (like Trump) to essentially say, 'Hey, you know these norms that you're feeling are imposed on you -- they're not necessarily (legitimate)."

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Giuliani running true to form.

US President Donald Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, has said he would not rule out the possibility that payments were made to women other than porn star Stormy Daniels to get them to stay silent about allegations against Mr Trump.

Not quite sure what you are trying to suggest by saying "running true to form".

Giuliani is doing what he is employed to do ......... trying to stay one step ahead and protect the presidency.

*Disclaimer: I do NOT support Trump. I worry about the concept of democracy*

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Giuliani is doing what he is employed to do ......... trying to stay one step ahead and protect the ~~presidency~~ president.

*Disclaimer: I do NOT support Trump. I worry about the concept of democracy*

FTFY. I'll accept what you've highlighted as true, and if in disputing that I've caused offense to you - I apologise.

I seriously worry about the future of democracy, as warts and all it's better than the alternatives.

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#2009591 7-May-2018 20:48

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CNN Politics - Trump divines his own truth without consequences

EXTRACTS from a long article (well worth reading):

Washington (CNN) - Donald Trump has learned he can get away with anything.

While the President has always profited from creating his own reality, the impact of having a commander in chief who so frequently bends fact is only beginning to be understood.

Before Trump, the idea of having a President who habitually fails to tell the truth and survives would have been unthinkable. But it's becoming clear that Trump's tenure is not just a lesson in fractured presidential convention.
It amounts to a unique challenge to the office of the presidency itself, to the institutions that underpin American democracy and the long-held idea that government can only function effectively if it has the trust of the governed. ...

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper compared Trump's method to the "moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts" described by George Orwell in his novel "Nineteen Eighty-Four."
"Up is down, black is white, war is peace," Clapper recently said on CNN. "What disturbs me is this is becoming normal in this country. The people just accept the fact that the place to look for truth is not the White House." ...

As the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal, hardly an example of the anti-Trump media, put it Friday: "Mr. Trump should worry that Americans will stop believing anything he says."

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#2009621 7-May-2018 21:25

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DaveB:

Giuliani is doing what he is employed to do ......... trying to stay one step ahead and protect the presidency president.

*Disclaimer: I do NOT support Trump. I worry about the concept of democracy*

FTFY. I'll accept what you've highlighted as true, and if in disputing that I've caused offense to you - I apologise.

I seriously worry about the future of democracy, as warts and all it's better than the alternatives.

I would change your FTFY back to presidency because this is what it is all about. But I don't know how to cross out words here on Geekzone.

Regardless, Trump (like it or not) represents the US presidency. And they will protect that in the name of democracy, just like they did Obama and all those that went before them.

No need to apologise for something that I have felt the need to highlight in this biased thread. If you think for one moment that I give a t**s, well don't.

Like you, I also worry about the future of democracy and will stand by that. We may approach it from different perspectives, but we are not that far away. Personally I am more concerned about "so called Liberal" leaning people chasing "likes" in a political forum than I am right or left wingers.

What's after Trump? That's my concern.

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