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  #3188854 31-Jan-2024 15:14
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ezbee:

Farming is the largest user of illegal immigrants.
Houses get built by illegals, Trumps Golf courses employed and probably still do illegals.
All kinds of day labor like lawns and gardens etc.
They are cheap, easy to hire, easy to fire, don't talk back.

 

 

Yup, a good chunk of the unskilled and semi-skilled labour in the US is illegals because the US economy requires millions of labourers to do dangerous, unpleasant, or uneconomical work that can't be filled by locals. Illegals are completely ingrained into US culture, it's just accepted that if you want some sort of labour work done like gardening, debris removal, etc, you get in a bunch of hispanic gentlemen via some informal labour exchange and pay them cash, no questions asked.

 

 

They also help the US economy another way, for the ones who work on the books they pay large sums into income tax and Social Security through paycheck deductions via false SSNs but are excluded from receiving the benefits of most welfare programs since they're illegals. So the illegals are heavily subsidising the legals.

 

 

This is why apart from racist boneheads and people making political capital from it, no-one actually wants to get rid of the illegals, it'd be really bad for business.

 

 




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  #3189306 1-Feb-2024 15:53
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It's only 01/02/2023 and I am already over the US election. The folks in the US have a choice of a rock or a hard place no matter what side of the fence sit, even if they sit on the fence. No matter if Trump wins or Biden wins the US in for a crap storm and the rest of the world is in the splash zone.





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  #3190780 5-Feb-2024 09:46
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MikeB4:

 

It's only 01/02/2023 ...

 

 

Have I time travelled back in time a year?!? I really don't want to live 2023 all over again!




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  #3190786 5-Feb-2024 09:56
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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/03/biden-wins-south-carolina-primary-00139479 >> Biden wins big in South Carolina, the state that finally set the wheels in motion for him back in 2020.


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  #3190916 5-Feb-2024 10:57
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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/03/biden-wins-south-carolina-primary-00139479 >> Biden wins big in South Carolina, the state that finally set the wheels in motion for him back in 2020.

 

 

That's not difficult when you are effectively the only candidate.


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  #3190918 5-Feb-2024 11:03
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Isn't it incredible that neither party could come up with a 40 - 55 year old candidate?





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  #3190947 5-Feb-2024 12:05
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Well there are some - but I guess people just must be going for familiarity at this point? They both know who Biden and Trump are.

 

For example, Dean Phillips I know of (but only as I have family in Minnesota). I remember Marianne Williamson from 2020, Nikki Haley I knew of beforehand as well. But none of this latter group have ever been president, so there's less name recognition.

 

I dunno, just a theory of mine.


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  #3190949 5-Feb-2024 12:12
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It's all about the money. Trump and Biden have much deeper pockets courtesy of their backers than the rest so just overwhelm them. The backers generally won't put money into someone who looks unlikely to win.

 

The minnows are in a completely different league.

 

Anyone can become President as long as they are rich or have the ear of the rich. It's a totally corrupt system.


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  #3191247 5-Feb-2024 19:48
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quickymart:

Well there are some - but I guess people just must be going for familiarity at this point?

 

 

Nope, it's a gerontocracy and two things ancient politicians have is decades of experience in staying on top and rabid zeal to make sure there's no threat from the younger generation(s).

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  #3192017 7-Feb-2024 16:59
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Its First Past the Post, so 3rd candidates are like RFK mainly a spoiler.

 

R.F.K.-Aligned Super PAC Draws Heavily from a Republican Megadonor
A super PAC backing Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s bid for the Democratic nomination received $5 million from a major Republican donor who has supported Donald J. Trump in the past.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/rfk-jr-donors.html

 

RFK a person of high principle does not care about where his campaign finance is coming from :-) 
Why not make it simple for the next 'Duce' to take power.

 

Roger Stone has even boasted of these kind of tricks, including funding candidates with similar names to confuse.
Funding more extreme candidates that give them barbs to throw at the main more moderate democrat. 

 

With the specter of Trump looming.
Democrats would be in a hard position to take risks with someone that does not at least have a high profile.

 

After this is over maybe there is more of a cleanup in Congress and especially the House.
The House needs to be sorted, and hopefully voters don't forget that.
Without the House its another X years of disfunction.


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  #3194301 12-Feb-2024 12:47
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What America and the rest of the world needs is Haley against Newsom in November.

 

Instead we are getting the exact opposite of that with some sort of freak show.


 
 
 

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  #3194345 12-Feb-2024 14:37
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Now that would actually be an interesting debate, and one I'd want to watch - both of them are fairly likeable in their own way, as well as being civil, but still able to debate their respective positions without the personal mud-slinging.


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  #3194392 12-Feb-2024 17:12
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That Republicans can't bring themselves to field their most winable candidate Haley.
Never mind that Haley is 'not' a destructive, vengeful, old fool who will put loyalists 'to him only' in place.

 

The option is there, the polling vs Biden has her as a clear winner and "Crickets".
Even worse the House and congress just bow to Trumps every word and threat of being primaried.
A Rubber Chicken has more spine.
Its just mad.


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  #3194457 13-Feb-2024 06:36
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ezbee:

 

That Republicans can't bring themselves to field their most winable candidate Haley.
Never mind that Haley is 'not' a destructive, vengeful, old fool who will put loyalists 'to him only' in place.

 

The option is there, the polling vs Biden has her as a clear winner and "Crickets".
Even worse the House and congress just bow to Trumps every word and threat of being primaried.
A Rubber Chicken has more spine.
Its just mad.

 

 

Haley is no longer clearly polling ahead of Biden. Most mainstream polls on 538 now show Biden on average as being a couple of points clear.

 

Still within a margin of error, for sure, but now it's consistently in his favour other than the other way around. Trump, FWIW, is still consistently ahead by a point or two. That hasn't really changed.

 

As always it's going to come down to who can win where, rather than the popular vote - and we're not seeing much in the way of those kinds of polls yet.

 

This is the one to pay attention to:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

 

A couple of percentage points up or down will have a big impact on swing voters, which may well decide those key states. 


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  #3194807 13-Feb-2024 19:00
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Interesting read on what happens if a candidate needs to be replaced for whatever reason: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/12/politics/presidential-candidate-race-drop-what-matters/index.html

 

And if it should happen voluntarily - a couple of ways Joe could do it and still save face: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/12/joe-biden-democrat-plan-b-nominee-00140790

 

Bonus: an opinion piece that makes the case on why he should do it: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/should-biden-step-aside

 

 

 

 


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