Vodafone eSIM. Apple may force their hand with iPhone 14 being eSIM only

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#293090 27-Dec-2021 17:21

Anyone else noticed this recent rumour about forth coming iPhones?

If the physical SIM has had its day and Apple, as they have a habit of doing, are the first to ditch it then I can't see any Telco refusing to offer support without risking losing current customers and new ones.

I know this won't spin into the Watch but it would be nice to get some other features that New Zealand hasn't had since the dawn of the iPhone (visual voice mail? FFS...)

I've given up on Kiwi Bank every offering Apple Pay. Why do I stay with them I'll never know...

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#2839208 27-Dec-2021 18:19

I just saw this article before you posted it. Imagine the likes of MVNO operators such as Skinny, Warehouse Mobile, Kogan etc offering eSIM that would be so good for us if Apple do decide to get rid of the sim slot on the iPhones. It would force all NZ mobile networks to offer eSIM.

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#2839224 27-Dec-2021 19:46

Dochart: I just saw this article before you posted it. Imagine the likes of MVNO operators such as Skinny, Warehouse Mobile, Kogan etc offering eSIM that would be so good for us if Apple do decide to get rid of the sim slot on the iPhones. It would force all NZ mobile networks to offer eSIM.

I have a UK mobile number as well as my NZ number.

The UK number is with Giffgaff who, like VF, don't support eSIM. (Giffgaff will post you a SIM for free to NZ!)

So I need 2 phones, one for each number, even though my shinny new iPhone 13 Pro can take 1 physical and 2 eSIMs.

That's why I'm hoping that one or both of my mobile operators cave in and start offering eSIM.

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#2839228 27-Dec-2021 19:57

Vodafone have officially stated that they intend to roll out eSIM in 2022, so it's probably going to happen regardless of whether the iPhone 14 rumours are true.

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#2839229 27-Dec-2021 19:59

alasta:
Vodafone have officially stated that they intend to roll out eSIM in 2022, so it's probably going to happen regardless of whether the iPhone 14 rumours are true.

They only stated that eSIM was going to be available for pay monthly on Vodafone. It should be available for both prepaid and pay monthly.

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#2839230 27-Dec-2021 20:01

You don't make the rules which customers it is available for VodafoneNZ do as they are the ones paying for it

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#2839247 27-Dec-2021 20:32

Linux: You don't make the rules which customers it is available for VodafoneNZ do as they are the ones paying for it

To be fair, you don't get to make the rules about people's opinions either.

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#2839251 27-Dec-2021 20:47

eSim is kind of dead to me since we took so long to launch it and only one company does it and it's pay monthly only. Honestly I'd rather just think about how apple making their phones eSim only would push more eSim into cheaper handsets and not reserved for just the flagships.

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#2839252 27-Dec-2021 20:51

MaxineN: eSim is kind of dead to me since we took so long to launch it and only one company does it and it's pay monthly only. Honestly I'd rather just think about how apple making their phones eSim only would push more eSim into cheaper handsets and not reserved for just the flagships.

You can get eSIM on prepaid with Spark as long as you purchase a plan.

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#2839253 27-Dec-2021 20:53

Ge0rge:

Linux: You don't make the rules which customers it is available for VodafoneNZ do as they are the ones paying for it

To be fair, you don't get to make the rules about people's opinions either.

@Ge0rge They can have their opinion but it will make zero difference to how VodafoneNZ will deploy eSIM

As clearly stated by VodafoneNZ On Account only

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#2839254 27-Dec-2021 20:57

Dochart:
MaxineN: eSim is kind of dead to me since we took so long to launch it and only one company does it and it's pay monthly only. Honestly I'd rather just think about how apple making their phones eSim only would push more eSim into cheaper handsets and not reserved for just the flagships.

You can get eSIM on prepaid with Spark as long as you purchase a plan.

You can get it on prepaid full stop with Spark.

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#2839256 27-Dec-2021 20:58

Dochart:
MaxineN: eSim is kind of dead to me since we took so long to launch it and only one company does it and it's pay monthly only. Honestly I'd rather just think about how apple making their phones eSim only would push more eSim into cheaper handsets and not reserved for just the flagships.

You can get eSIM on prepaid with Spark as long as you purchase a plan.

And yet I don't have a eSim capable device so it's a bit moot. Even if I did. Kogan mobile still offers better value over spark. Don't see the point of switching.

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#2839318 27-Dec-2021 21:57

This thread is all over the place...

1) Spark offer both eSim and also a pretty good Visual Voicemail implementation.
2) 2degrees and Vodafone have both stated they're going to have eSim available soon.
3) Why the dig towards Apple Pay? This is a whole other complex beast that banks just simply can't offer overnight, their core have to support card tokenization for a start, just go with a bank that works for your needs. This is off-topic right from the very start anyway.

The MNVO's will likely follow suit if there is a drive towards eSim. I've personally got my work number as an eSim on my iPhone through Spark with 2degrees being my personal provider. Just like everything quoted (including the Apple Pay dig) it isn't a "if" it'll happen but instead a "when" it'll happen. Patience folks.

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#2839322 27-Dec-2021 22:11

From what I've seen the processes and system interactions needed to make it all tick is pretty darn complex, so it's no wonder it's taking a while for all telcos to have full support.

If Apple do switch to esim only, that'll provide additional impetus for sure. Apple might also need to fast track their accreditation process though or they may risk shooting themselves in the foot.

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#2839382 27-Dec-2021 22:59

If iPhone 14 up is eSIM only, and it is not available on my plan and provider of choice, guess I won’t be buying any 14 plus iPhones.

Not going on rip off post paid (in my eyes) or more expensive prepay just so my phone will work.

Saying the other telco’s etc will introduce it, seems they have been saying that for a few years and for some reason it’s only available on the more expensive plans/ post paid.

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#2839386 27-Dec-2021 23:25

rugrat:

If iPhone 14 up is eSIM only, and it is not available on my plan and provider of choice, guess I won’t be buying any 14 plus iPhones.

Not going on rip off post paid (in my eyes) or more expensive prepay just so my phone will work.

Saying the other telco’s etc will introduce it, seems they have been saying that for a few years and for some reason it’s only available on the more expensive plans/ post paid.

iPhone isn't a phone. No smart phone is. I think the name is misleading these days since we use them as phones for only a small percentage of the time we use them. The "smart phone" being an amalgamation of all electronic devices into one.

The Telco's realise that they play a much smaller part in the platform usage than maybe the once did for that reason.

When the iPhone launched Apple went cap in hand to AT&T who bought into it for a 2 year exclusive. The same wouldn't be true today, I'd say the reverse.

I suspect the budget Telco's, and PAYG part of the NZ duopoly, are reluctant to move to eSIM because it makes SIM hopping so much easier. It certainly won't be a technical limitation or issue. It is more likely a tactical marketing one.

So by Apple making a device with no physical SIM their hand will be forced.

You might want to go with the provider but I'd prefer to stick to iPhones and switch provider. I wonder what the split would be in preferences? Do you go with the new iPhone or do you stick with the telco? Which is more important to you?

As a telco do you want to take a gamble and roll the dice on that one? What if you don't do it but your rivals do? Prisoners dilemma.

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