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#1372703 23-Aug-2015 21:45

Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

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#1372864 24-Aug-2015 09:28

OK, a question: I went through all the data collection settings I could find and disabled them. I also use ad blockers but that is a different issue. I have a traffic monitor on my taskbar that tells me what is going where, as well as my firewall.

As a result of all this, I never see ads. So is my data still being mined? If so, what is it being used for, other than as part of a much bigger trend analysis? What invasions of privacy, if any, are occurring? What, in other words, is the problem? I don't really see one. Am I missing the big picture?

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#1372866 24-Aug-2015 09:31

You did the cmd commands, the registry tweaks, and the hosts file editing?

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#1372867 24-Aug-2015 09:31

MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Are there really? (90% of the worlds software runs on Windows). What happens when MS decides it won't provide security updates for older versions?

You are being incredibly disingenuous to try make it out as simple as that.

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#1372876 24-Aug-2015 09:40

networkn:
MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Are there really? (90% of the worlds software runs on Windows). What happens when MS decides it won't provide security updates for older versions?

You are being incredibly disingenuous to try make it out as simple as that.

Win7 is supported until January 14, 2020

Win8 is supported until January 10, 2023

I guess you have until then to work out your upgrade or migration strategy

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#1372878 24-Aug-2015 09:42

An option for those concerned about what information is leaving thier PC to microsoft:

O&O Software's ShutUp10
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

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#1372890 24-Aug-2015 09:56

Reading rants about Windows 10 privacy on Facebook is particularly ironic.

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#1372921 24-Aug-2015 10:47

Just a quick THANK YOU to everyone that helped me solve the WINDOWS10 intermittent website loading problem.

The new HG630B HUAWEI modem arrived this morning from Spark, and is now installed. I can now view webpages that previously I couldn't using WIN10 (WIN7 was always fine!)

Anyway, thank you for the advice and help, it seems that problem is now solved - thanks to you :)

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#1372931 24-Aug-2015 11:04

nathan: Reading rants about Windows 10 privacy on Facebook is particularly ironic.

Certainly agree with you there.

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#1373197 24-Aug-2015 16:06

networkn:
MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Are there really? (90% of the worlds software runs on Windows). What happens when MS decides it won't provide security updates for older versions?

You are being incredibly disingenuous to try make it out as simple as that.

I haven't used Windows as my main desktop for over ten years and cannot remember in the last five years a time where there has been something that I need to do that would require windows.
. . . so yes, there certainly are alternatives to a Win10 upgrade. No matter which route you take is gonna require some effort. If now is not a good time for that effort then stay with what you currently have.

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#1373320 24-Aug-2015 20:15

grant_k:
jim.cox:
I'm not paranoid.

I just do not think that serving up advertising is a necessary ( or wanted ) function of my computer's operating system.

And nor is the collection of data to allow such advertising to be targeted.

I agree with you Jim. Seeing all those options where you permit MS to gather this & that data for whatever purpose was the one negative in my W10 upgrade experience, so I turned all of them off. It's no business of an OS vendor to be collecting that sort of data and they should keep their noses out of it.

If you use Facebook or the web version of Gmail, that's the trade-off you make for a free service, which is fair enough as nobody can say they weren't warned. With an OS it's a different matter because it's at a much lower level. What will they think of next? A BIOS which mines your data? Maybe Intel already did that but didn't tell anybody...

and as the security checkers have already shown - turning on privacy settings doesn't give you privacy. There is still a lot leaked out.

Also re what harm is there in letting people know what you buy etc. The example given above where most emails are around medical and financial info - there is a growing wave of people who have been denied insurance, jobs, promotion and other basic benefits based on data scraped via advertising, mail snooping, pattern checking etc.

Advertisers are the least of your worries as to who is using your data, and govt probably the second to last worry. Employers, insurance, banks, mortgages, credit agencies, creeps, peeps and perverts all make use of that type of data on a regular basis.

As for people having time to sift the data - they dont need to - when you apply for a job or medical insurance or .... then the data is sifted and handed to them, as and when required. So in a sense there is time for them to sift everyones data.

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#1373328 24-Aug-2015 20:31

networkn:
MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Are there really? (90% of the worlds software runs on Windows). What happens when MS decides it won't provide security updates for older versions?

You are being incredibly disingenuous to try make it out as simple as that.

Fact; it is not compulsory to update to Win 10.
Fact; there are alternatives.

I am NOT being disingenuous saying this.

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#1373330 24-Aug-2015 20:32

MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Actually - the quote about it not being a compulsory update is interesting ...

I phoned Microsoft to ask how I could get rid of their windows 10 advertising on my paid for Windows 7 OS. They say it is not advertising, it is a notification of an update.

Now there does seem to be some schizophrenia in the MS camp regarding if this is an update, upgrade or a new product.

The mouths at MS made it clear the windows 10 advertising is not advertising as it is an update. However as it is called an upgrade in almost every piece of tech note that makes that lie a bit laughable. Secondly, it is a new OS as you can buy it separately from Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 - it is not an upgrade but a whole new OS.

Now the tricky bit - originally the 'advertising' that is not advertising, was a recommended update and could be turned off. Now it is a required update - we have no choice but to suffer windows Advertising on our paid for Windows 7 / Windows 8 / 8.1 machines. Parts of Windows 10 are already in our paid for machines and we are receiving advertising without permission.

Similarly I am finding more and more "services" being pushed onto my machine without permission. for example, MS Cloud - with office installs. didn't ask for it but there it is. MS office upload centre, busy pushing my data somewhere onto the net without my permission and the little PITA keeps coming back.

The Windows 10 advertising, I removed it by uninstalling a large range of KBs, put in notifications i didn't want those updates but again it kept coming back. i've now hacked my registry, but that doesnt remove it from my machine, it just stops it sticking its head up and annoying me. I am writing a null.exe and am going to call it gwx.exe and see what happens when I swap it out for the real one - possibly SFC wil catch me and cause problems. -
My point is - Windows 10 has invaded my Windows 7 machine and is sending crud to MS - and that's before I have installed it. Sorry bro - if MS is telling the truth it is a compulsory upgrade.

On another note Mint Linux (cinnamon variant) is working out very well and many of our clients are asking to try it as an alternative.

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#1373621 25-Aug-2015 10:39

nunz:

Now the tricky bit - originally the 'advertising' that is not advertising, was a recommended update and could be turned off. Now it is a required update - we have no choice but to suffer windows Advertising on our paid for Windows 7 / Windows 8 / 8.1 machines. Parts of Windows 10 are already in our paid for machines and we are receiving advertising without permission.

My god, no one else has that issue, perhaps your blatant anti MS paranoia has clouded your mind.
Ive disabled the notification on MY home PC, and on other PC's.
- uninstall 1 update
- hide that one update
issue solved , its really that simple .

A notification is not advertising btw. Is a stop sign advertising , are notifications of security patches advertising ?

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#1374116 25-Aug-2015 18:52

MikeB4:
networkn:
MikeB4: Its rather simple, if one does not like Windows 10 or it does not fit ones needs don't install it, it is not a compulsory update and there are alternatives.

Are there really? (90% of the worlds software runs on Windows). What happens when MS decides it won't provide security updates for older versions?

You are being incredibly disingenuous to try make it out as simple as that.

Fact; it is not compulsory to update to Win 10.
Fact; there are alternatives.

I am NOT being disingenuous saying this.

Actually, you kind of are.

There is a lot of software and games around that people either need or want to use, and that are Windows only. If you get a new PC they pretty much won't sell you Win7 now, and shortly won't sell Win8 either. You are stuck with either getting Win10, or not being able to run a lot of stuff.

Yes, on paper you have a choice. In practice, a lot of the userbase essentially don't.

And, if as some here have said, the snooping features are desirable to them because they want targeted ads and don't care about their privacy, then there is a clear solution. MS should clearly outline the new "features" at install, including what they are and what they entail, and give you a proper choice about whether or not you enable them. Not obscure settings spread over 13 different menus, that don't even meaningfully disable much of the snooping when you have been through them all.

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