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  #3030133 31-Jan-2023 23:59
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This isn't supported by the legislation, the coroner or the reality of life for most families.




That coroner received a lot of criticism for his statement. The adult required to prevent that accident was driving the truck parked across the child's driveway. In this case walking to school is irrelevant, would you expect to supervise the child going next door?


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  #3030134 1-Feb-2023 00:10
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Bung:
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This isn't supported by the legislation, the coroner or the reality of life for most families.




That coroner received a lot of criticism for his statement. The adult required to prevent that accident was driving the truck parked across the child's driveway. In this case walking to school is irrelevant, would you expect to supervise the child going next door?



What I expect isn’t particularly pertinent. The law is what it is.

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  #3030135 1-Feb-2023 00:10
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I'm kinda reluctant to get drawn into this since it involves personal events for some people, but a general comment is "the plural of anecdote is not evidence". I'm pretty sure everyone on here can pull out some anecdote about something bad that happened to someone they know, and if you created safety restrictions based on the union of all anecdotes here no-one would ever be able to get out of bed again. Sometimes, accidents just happen, and no amount of mollycoddling and cotton-wooling will fix that.

 

 

Which is why the government's Road to Zero is totally nonsensical (when Vision Zero was introduced in Sweden in the 90s the politicians admitted that it was an unachievable utopia but they were going to go for it anyway) because the only way they can ever hope to achieve it is to pour quick-setting concrete into the engine compartment of every motor vehicle, but that's for a different forum.

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  #3030144 1-Feb-2023 03:35
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neb: I'm kinda reluctant to get drawn into this since it involves personal events for some people, but a general comment is "the plural of anecdote is not evidence". I'm pretty sure everyone on here can pull out some anecdote about something bad that happened to someone they know, and if you created safety restrictions based on the union of all anecdotes here no-one would ever be able to get out of bed again. Sometimes, accidents just happen, and no amount of mollycoddling and cotton-wooling will fix that.

Which is why the government's Road to Zero is totally nonsensical (when Vision Zero was introduced in Sweden in the 90s the politicians admitted that it was an unachievable utopia but they were going to go for it anyway) because the only way they can ever hope to achieve it is to pour quick-setting concrete into the engine compartment of every motor vehicle, but that's for a different forum.


As always with these types of issues actual evidence is dismissed as anecdotes while unsubstantiated reckons are considered valid.

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  #3030155 1-Feb-2023 07:25
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As long as anecdotes are evidence, here is mine: From the age of five I found my own way to school several kilometres distant, sometimes by bus, sometimes walking, often by bicycle. It was a semi-rural area and it usually took around a half-hour or so to get there. Along the way I was never run over, never kidnapped, never molested, never bitten by a dog. The worst that ever happened to me was it rained.

 

 





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  #3030157 1-Feb-2023 07:30
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Handle9:

I’ve got a close friend who’s brother was killed as a pedestrian. He was 9, back in the 80s when we were all “resilient and had common sense”.

The population and number of cars on the road was dramatically less back then but it still happened.

 

 

 

There is no perfect system. Not everybody is the same, and sometimes sh!t happens.

 

IIRC a study in the USA found kids were far safer walking to school than being driven to school because of car collisions.

 

What we do see now though it so many younger people demanding someone come along and fix their problem for them and how everything must be someone else's fault. Kids are also not taught basic practical skills like painting a window, changing a car tyre, replacing a tap washer, etc, etc . And when they REALLY need those skills (as in a flood), so does everyone else and there is no internet to learn from.

 

We have two "Go bags" at each end of the house with the view that at least one will be accessible in emergency.


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  #3030160 1-Feb-2023 07:52
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Handle9:

I’ve got a close friend who’s brother was killed as a pedestrian. He was 9, back in the 80s when we were all “resilient and had common sense”.

The population and number of cars on the road was dramatically less back then but it still happened.


 


There is no perfect system. Not everybody is the same, and sometimes sh!t happens.




I was going to post some more details but I really can’t be bothered. Describing the death of a child as shit happens is revolting.

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  #3030181 1-Feb-2023 08:56
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Handle9:

I was going to post some more details but I really can’t be bothered. Describing the death of a child as shit happens is revolting.

 

 

 

Its not describing the death, its describing the event/circumstances.

 

I know of a person who was killed when a falling rock went though his car window and then his chest when he was driving, 5 seconds either way he would be alive.

 

I have a cousins whose baby lived for 3 days. They still recognise it every year, but there was nothing anyone could have done, he was just born that way.

 

I have an intellectually handicapped son, no ones fault, shit happens, and I have spent 35 years working towards his needs when I fall off the perch.


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  #3030190 1-Feb-2023 09:08
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The timesheeting system here at my work. 

 

You need my to account for my time...I get that, it's a chore, but OK...

 

...but at least give me a tool that makes it easy to do so.  One that moves somewhat quicker than a sloth and doesn't crash after every third mouse-click, one that uses codes and names that are easy to find and relate to the work I do.

 

(Sorry, needed to vent.  Thank you for listening, have a good day 🙂)





Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.


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  #3030192 1-Feb-2023 09:10
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As horrific as the example is, it is a single incident. This does not prove anything. 

 

 





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  #3030200 1-Feb-2023 09:32
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floydbloke:

 

The timesheeting system here at my work. 

 

You need my to account for my time...I get that, it's a chore, but OK...

 

...but at least give me a tool that makes it easy to do so.  One that moves somewhat quicker than a sloth and doesn't crash after every third mouse-click, one that uses codes and names that are easy to find and relate to the work I do.

 

(Sorry, needed to vent.  Thank you for listening, have a good day 🙂)

 

 

Does it have an entry for "Filling in time sheet"? It takes time therefore I want to maliciously comply.  😋





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  #3030215 1-Feb-2023 10:20
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Rikkitic:

As long as anecdotes are evidence, here is mine: From the age of five I found my own way to school several kilometres distant, sometimes by bus, sometimes walking, often by bicycle. It was a semi-rural area and it usually took around a half-hour or so to get there. Along the way I was never run over, never kidnapped, never molested, never bitten by a dog. The worst that ever happened to me was it rained.


 



Like you and many others I also did similar, alone from age 5...that was then. Nowadays I wouldn’t allow a little girl or any child of mine to walk far alone, with friends or siblings, maybe.

My grandchild went to the swings a few doors down from us at Xmas, I figured it was safe to let her but her Aunt followed soon after only to see a drugged up creepy looking guy in the playground where she was alone. So much for leaving kids to fend for themselves. This was in a quiet neighbourhood even the daughter was freaked out by the persona of the guy and we locked the gate.

In our day, we didn’t have the level of rampant criminals, evil and druggies there are today. We lived in more innocent times which sadly won’t return. Yes, the odd crime happened but not to today’s extent. I don't ever remember drugs being sold to kids outside the schools. Times have moved on.

Can’t see why schools don’t open the gates for cars to come into the playground at home time to pick kids up.





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  #3030240 1-Feb-2023 11:32
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In Wellington the roadway outside St Mark's and Seatoun Primary School has been designed with pickup/dropoff in mind offset from normal traffic. Allowing cars into school grounds would probably commit the school to actively manage the traffic. Now they can say it's council/Police.

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  #3030382 1-Feb-2023 14:07
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Eva888:
Rikkitic:

 

As long as anecdotes are evidence, here is mine: From the age of five I found my own way to school several kilometres distant, sometimes by bus, sometimes walking, often by bicycle. It was a semi-rural area and it usually took around a half-hour or so to get there. Along the way I was never run over, never kidnapped, never molested, never bitten by a dog. The worst that ever happened to me was it rained.

 

 

 

 

 



Like you and many others I also did similar, alone from age 5...that was then. Nowadays I wouldn’t allow a little girl or any child of mine to walk far alone, with friends or siblings, maybe.

My grandchild went to the swings a few doors down from us at Xmas, I figured it was safe to let her but her Aunt followed soon after only to see a drugged up creepy looking guy in the playground where she was alone. So much for leaving kids to fend for themselves. This was in a quiet neighbourhood even the daughter was freaked out by the persona of the guy and we locked the gate.

In our day, we didn’t have the level of rampant criminals, evil and druggies there are today. We lived in more innocent times which sadly won’t return. Yes, the odd crime happened but not to today’s extent. I don't ever remember drugs being sold to kids outside the schools. Times have moved on.

Can’t see why schools don’t open the gates for cars to come into the playground at home time to pick kids up.




 

 

 

Yeah the crime was actually higher, its just that it did not make the news day after day after day leading people to think crime is worse.

 

The actual statistics show we are safer than we were 30-40 years ago.

 

and we knew who to buy dope off at school back in the 70s/80s , heck some of the customers were the teachers so I was informed.

 

What is different is the harder drugs like fentanyl , but I bought primary school kids are the target here.

 

As for sexual abuse, the most likely offender is someone known and trusted by the family, not stranger. The family abuse gets quite swept under the carpet because of the humiliation.

 

 


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  #3030393 1-Feb-2023 14:33
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Eva888:

Can’t see why schools don’t open the gates for cars to come into the playground at home time to pick kids up.




 

Because the do not want to mix large numbers of kids with inconsiderate parents in cars who are too busy looking for their child and not everyone else's...they are in a hurry.


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