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#1706862 21-Jan-2017 11:33

amiga500: Obama massively expanded the use of drones. For every terrorist the drones killed it has probably radicalised another 10.

This may be true. The tone of your post indicates that you expect these drone killings to stop under Trump. I don't see any reason that might be the case.

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#1706865 21-Jan-2017 11:41

gzt:
amiga500: Obama massively expanded the use of drones. For every terrorist the drones killed it has probably radicalised another 10.

This may be true. The tone of your post indicates that you expect these drone killings to stop under Trump. I don't see any reason that might be the case.

110% correct,

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#1706868 21-Jan-2017 11:49

Stan: Completely agree. I hope Trump is alot less interventionist than the Obama administration.

Yes, let's have a wonderful world where people like Assad get to run amok. The underlying sentiment and naivete behind your belief that Trump somehow trying to make a better relationship with Russia is a good thing is so revealing also.

This would be a great thing if Trump came from a standpoint of understanding the fundamental tenets of a liberal democracy and sought to improve US relations with Russia on the basis of maintaining the clear moral superiority of the rule of law, respect for human rights, and rejection of the kind of horrible personal attributes that Vladimir Putin, the dictator of Russia, so thoroughly display. And face facts: even amongst conservative institutions that are hardly known for their love of the Democrats (i.e. the CIA and FBI - you did see how the head of the FBI blackballed Hillary Clinton, right?), there are strongly expressed sentiments that Putin/Russia has Trump compromised. This suspicion also aligns with the extraordinarily unusual behaviour of two "leaders" with vastly different strategic interests for their respective countries engaging in an almost totally choreographed bromance dance, especially for the Trump campaign/administration that quite frankly the facts tell us couldn't organise a piss-up at a bar.

Peace and political stability is not a one-way street. Getting superficial "stability" at any price is not the behaviour of a mature adult. As much as the Obama presidency has been a moral failure from a liberal point of view (see how expanding drone assassination programme, his kowtowing to the police post the Dallas shootings, and his failure to close Guantanamo), let's be very clear about one thing: he's not a human being that is bereft of morals, standards, and intelligence. Unlike Trump.

But keep the Trump loving fantasy going -- I hear it makes people feel good.

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#1706869 21-Jan-2017 11:50

gzt:
amiga500: Obama massively expanded the use of drones. For every terrorist the drones killed it has probably radicalised another 10.

This may be true. The tone of your post indicates that you expect these drone killings to stop under Trump. I don't see any reason that might be the case.

Also means less boots on the ground. So it balances, doesn't it?

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#1706881 21-Jan-2017 12:40

dejadeadnz:

Stan: Completely agree. I hope Trump is alot less interventionist than the Obama administration.

Yes, let's have a wonderful world where people like Assad get to run amok. The underlying sentiment and naivete behind your belief that Trump somehow trying to make a better relationship with Russia is a good thing is so revealing also.

This would be a great thing if Trump came from a standpoint of understanding the fundamental tenets of a liberal democracy and sought to improve US relations with Russia on the basis of maintaining the clear moral superiority of the rule of law, respect for human rights, and rejection of the kind of horrible personal attributes that Vladimir Putin, the dictator of Russia, so thoroughly display. And face facts: even amongst conservative institutions that are hardly known for their love of the Democrats (i.e. the CIA and FBI - you did see how the head of the FBI blackballed Hillary Clinton, right?), there are strongly expressed sentiments that Putin/Russia has Trump compromised. This suspicion also aligns with the extraordinarily unusual behaviour of two "leaders" with vastly different strategic interests for their respective countries engaging in an almost totally choreographed bromance dance, especially for the Trump campaign/administration that quite frankly the facts tell us couldn't organise a piss-up at a bar.

Peace and political stability is not a one-way street. Getting superficial "stability" at any price is not the behaviour of a mature adult. As much as the Obama presidency has been a moral failure from a liberal point of view (see how expanding drone assassination programme, his kowtowing to the police post the Dallas shootings, and his failure to close Guantanamo), let's be very clear about one thing: he's not a human being that is bereft of morals, standards, and intelligence. Unlike Trump.

But keep the Trump loving fantasy going -- I hear it makes people feel good.

First off I do not have a "trump loving fantasy" I am just attempting to view the situation from a neutral standpoint.

Secondly you do know Russia is a democracy and its not communist anymore?

Thirdly What has Assad done that is worse than any other middle eastern country ie Saudi Arabia? (before you bring up any fake news article about how he used chemical weapons let me debunk that for you "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government's former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government's assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.")

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#1706888 21-Jan-2017 12:57

Stan:

dejadeadnz:

Stan: Completely agree. I hope Trump is alot less interventionist than the Obama administration.

Yes, let's have a wonderful world where people like Assad get to run amok. The underlying sentiment and naivete behind your belief that Trump somehow trying to make a better relationship with Russia is a good thing is so revealing also.

This would be a great thing if Trump came from a standpoint of understanding the fundamental tenets of a liberal democracy and sought to improve US relations with Russia on the basis of maintaining the clear moral superiority of the rule of law, respect for human rights, and rejection of the kind of horrible personal attributes that Vladimir Putin, the dictator of Russia, so thoroughly display. And face facts: even amongst conservative institutions that are hardly known for their love of the Democrats (i.e. the CIA and FBI - you did see how the head of the FBI blackballed Hillary Clinton, right?), there are strongly expressed sentiments that Putin/Russia has Trump compromised. This suspicion also aligns with the extraordinarily unusual behaviour of two "leaders" with vastly different strategic interests for their respective countries engaging in an almost totally choreographed bromance dance, especially for the Trump campaign/administration that quite frankly the facts tell us couldn't organise a piss-up at a bar.

Peace and political stability is not a one-way street. Getting superficial "stability" at any price is not the behaviour of a mature adult. As much as the Obama presidency has been a moral failure from a liberal point of view (see how expanding drone assassination programme, his kowtowing to the police post the Dallas shootings, and his failure to close Guantanamo), let's be very clear about one thing: he's not a human being that is bereft of morals, standards, and intelligence. Unlike Trump.

But keep the Trump loving fantasy going -- I hear it makes people feel good.

First off I do not have a "trump loving fantasy" I am just attempting to view the situation from a neutral standpoint.

Secondly you do know Russia is a democracy and its not communist anymore?

Thirdly What has Assad done that is worse than any other middle eastern country ie Saudi Arabia? (before you bring up any fake news article about how he used chemical weapons let me debunk that for you "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government's former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government's assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.")

seriously, you believe that just because the Sarin gas dont match the stockpile then thats proof they are not using it. if the weaker opposition can get Sarin gas , im pretty sure the government can get new supplies and there's Democracy and then there's democracy practiced in countries like Russia . complete difference, only the word is the same.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1706892 21-Jan-2017 13:06

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#1706918 21-Jan-2017 13:18

gzt:
amiga500: Obama massively expanded the use of drones. For every terrorist the drones killed it has probably radicalised another 10.

This may be true. The tone of your post indicates that you expect these drone killings to stop under Trump. I don't see any reason that might be the case.

No, not at all, Trump may even expand the drone program given that his new Sec. of Defense will be very careful before putting troops in harms way.

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#1707007 21-Jan-2017 15:53

Has anyone else noticed that Assad looks like an angry version of Beaker?

Does that make Putin Dr Bunsen?

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#1707010 21-Jan-2017 16:00

HAHAHA... Someone really thinks it's the POTUS that decides who gets droned! I needed a laugh.

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#1707014 21-Jan-2017 16:08

What a load of trump.™

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#1707015 21-Jan-2017 16:10

Russia a democracy ?!

Really.?!

(Im watching the Trump presidency like a (lost) penguin watching the Titanic approach the iceburg)

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#1707018 21-Jan-2017 16:13

@stan, Russia is not a democratic state. The roles of President and Prime Minister have been rolling between two people, there is persecution of people seen as critical of the state.

They aren't a communist state but are an autocratic state in my view.

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#1707019 21-Jan-2017 16:16

Is this the new post-inauguration Trump thread, then?

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#1707026 21-Jan-2017 16:19

Stan:

dejadeadnz:

Stan: Completely agree. I hope Trump is alot less interventionist than the Obama administration.

Yes, let's have a wonderful world where people like Assad get to run amok. The underlying sentiment and naivete behind your belief that Trump somehow trying to make a better relationship with Russia is a good thing is so revealing also.

This would be a great thing if Trump came from a standpoint of understanding the fundamental tenets of a liberal democracy and sought to improve US relations with Russia on the basis of maintaining the clear moral superiority of the rule of law, respect for human rights, and rejection of the kind of horrible personal attributes that Vladimir Putin, the dictator of Russia, so thoroughly display. And face facts: even amongst conservative institutions that are hardly known for their love of the Democrats (i.e. the CIA and FBI - you did see how the head of the FBI blackballed Hillary Clinton, right?), there are strongly expressed sentiments that Putin/Russia has Trump compromised. This suspicion also aligns with the extraordinarily unusual behaviour of two "leaders" with vastly different strategic interests for their respective countries engaging in an almost totally choreographed bromance dance, especially for the Trump campaign/administration that quite frankly the facts tell us couldn't organise a piss-up at a bar.

Peace and political stability is not a one-way street. Getting superficial "stability" at any price is not the behaviour of a mature adult. As much as the Obama presidency has been a moral failure from a liberal point of view (see how expanding drone assassination programme, his kowtowing to the police post the Dallas shootings, and his failure to close Guantanamo), let's be very clear about one thing: he's not a human being that is bereft of morals, standards, and intelligence. Unlike Trump.

But keep the Trump loving fantasy going -- I hear it makes people feel good.

First off I do not have a "trump loving fantasy" I am just attempting to view the situation from a neutral standpoint.

Secondly you do know Russia is a democracy and its not communist anymore?

Thirdly What has Assad done that is worse than any other middle eastern country ie Saudi Arabia? (before you bring up any fake news article about how he used chemical weapons let me debunk that for you "The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government's former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government's assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.")

Where have you been the last 10 years???

This has to be a troll....

Firstly, Russia is NOT a democracy..fact!!!! Although they are closer to being a democracy than they once were.

Secondly, it is well proven and document that Assad uses chemical weapons on his own people and is in fact wanted for war crimes(still to be proven by a war crimes tribunal) but go figure....

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