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  #2839797 29-Dec-2021 09:14
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Absolutely agreed. I have spent a fair amount of time in the USA but never lived there. I can't recall ever seeing or having a bad interaction with anyone over there,



That's the thing, you've presumably only interacted with individuals. The US is governed by something a bit like the Law of Conservation of Ninjitsu where the amount of ninjitsu is divided by the number of ninjas present: One ninja is practically unbeatable, a few in a group are average, many ninjas can be defeated by a five-year-old.

It's the same in the US, almost every individual is great to interact with, I've hung out with stereotypical rednecks with, literally, cars up on blocks in their front yard, half a dozen dogs tied up in the back yard, a pet snake, and a shotgun hung over the fireplace with an easter egg basket full of shells below it (the stereotypes exist for a reason), and they were lovely people and fun to hang out with. I'd just have to be very, very careful if there was a large group rather than just the three I hung out with, to keep clear of any topics involving politics, religion, the environment, medicine, sports, guns, crime, other countries, ...

Another thing you really notice when you live in the US for awhile is how utterly divided their society is between, at the risk of sounding slightly marxist but I can't think of any better labels, the bourgeoisie (typically white, well-off people) and the proletariat (typically non-white labourers, gardeners, maintenance people, food workers, bus drivers, etc). The proletariat are more or less invisible to the bourgeoisie, they're politely acknowledged but little more. The bourgeoisie talk in front of them as if they weren't there, and treat them like servants. The proletariat in turn don't interact with the bourgeoisie because it's not done.

As a kiwi I couldn't care less about this and just treated everyone with the same level of bluntness, but it took a long time for the proletariat to realise that it was OK to interact with me socially. For example when I caught the bus into work or back - a mode of transport reserved exclusively for the proletariat, most of my co-workers didn't even know that there were buses - I made a point of turning to the driver and saying "thank you" when I got off, as is the norm here. I thought others might get the hint, but no-one ever did, and no driver ever responded. However, at one point I went away for Christmas for a few weeks and on my first day back as the bus was coming down the hill the driver, a huge black guy who occupied about 1 1/2 driver's seats worth of space, saw me and broke into a huge grin that didn't go away until he stopped to pick me up.

Same with one of the food workers, he was a bit short of change for the bus at one point and none of the other proletariat waiting for the bus had any either so in desperation he turned to me, he barely spoke English so I just offered him a handful of change since I wasn't sure what he needed and let him pick out a nickel or dime or something. After that I was his best friend, a member of the bourgeoisie that actually treated him like a human being rather than an invisible servant.

I've seen more social interaction between different levels of society in Sarth Effrica than I have in the US...


You've never been to the UK then.







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  #2840165 29-Dec-2021 21:27
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Geektastic: I think the elected system makes sense if you live in small town Montana or somewhere. Less so in LA.

 

 

It's actually a really terrible system because instead of having someone appointed from a national pool based, in general, on competence and qualifications, it often becomes a popularity contest based on who can best appeal to local prejudices. One popular move is to target borderline "crimes" from people who can't defend themselves, so make a big splash rounding up illegal immigrant workers who have lived and paid taxes in the US for years, or raid abortion clinics, or target anything regulated by "community standards", as a way of making a big publicity splash so you get elected.

 

 

To put it more bluntly, if you're one of the many counties where people think it's the sheriff's job to keep a lid on them uppity n-----ers then you'll end up with a sheriff who prioritises that in his job, and you can imagine what sort of person that'd be to have running the police force.

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  #2840194 29-Dec-2021 22:17
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After much thought, I'm not sure what the officer should have done, bearing in mind I'm not a police officer. Maybe they need guns with laser pointers?



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  #2840217 29-Dec-2021 22:23
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It's not a case of just one officer. You have to look at the whole system of communication, tactics and goals.

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SJB:

 

How to get rid of an irritating neighbor if you live in America.

 

Call the police and report shots fired in his house.

 

 

Yeah, it's called swatting


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  #2840236 29-Dec-2021 22:59
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Batman: After much thought, I'm not sure what the officer should have done, bearing in mind I'm not a police officer. Maybe they need guns with laser pointers?

 

 

 

Do you mean laser sights? That may show you the point of aim but it won't show you if someone is on the other side of the wall.

 

I have no doubt that the police have tested and trialled all manner of options in great detail. For example you can get non lethal beanbag rounds for shotguns (or go old style and load your own with rock salt instead of lead pellets) which won't lethally injure bystanders but whilst that might be sufficient for sending burglars off with a sting in the tail, it won't stop a crazy guy on PCP armed with a .44. In that case it would be like facing a bear with an air rifle.

 

I suppose a best case option would be a taser - since it won't affect anyone other than the person hit with it and won't penetrate a wall etc but as you imply, the person on the ground has to make a decision in fractions of a second sometimes. However the aforementioned crazy guy on PCP might even withstand that and shoot back.

 

It's terribly easy to armchair quarterback it from the comfort of home.






  #2840242 29-Dec-2021 23:20
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Yeah that  looked like an unjustified shooting to me.

Did they not try to deescalate it.

 

The lady was in distress yes very much so but he was away from her.

 

I don't get why he would just up and shoot him.

I did not see anything that looked like a gun and also no I was not seeing it as the officer was.

 

Didn't really get the Chief saying an investigation is underway and could take a year.

 

I am guessing he would be stood down until the shooting is declared a "Good shoot"

 

That poor poor girl though my heart goes out her family I could not even comprehend a shopping outcome like that. 





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