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#3349996 4-Mar-2025 14:03

Hasn't it always been a thing to ask for and put a name on invoices over $1000 tho? Not that its a AML thing where you have to see and record ID and stuff, its just asking for a name and putting it there. In the past when I have bought PC stuff from a random shop over $1k they just asked my name and put it there, as I would have expected.

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#3349998 4-Mar-2025 14:12

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Can't say I've run across this before but I'm also not in the habit of spending $1k in person.

Same here, it's not like you're in the US trying to buy a dozen eggs.

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#3350002 4-Mar-2025 14:19

I have seen signs in Supermarkets saying trade quantities not supplied and in the same supermarket car park seen a van being filled with Coke bottles that were on special. Probably can't fit $1000 worth of 1.5l Cokes in an average van.

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#3350003 4-Mar-2025 14:20

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From the article:

'We didn't explain this properly' - Pak'n Save

In a statement posted to social media on Tuesday, an unnamed spokesperson said Pak'n Save Whanganui acknowledged Williams' experience "and take this opportunity to provide some clarity".

"Under tax legislation introduced in 2023, businesses are required to collect certain details for purchases over $1,000 to ensure compliance with tax rules. Unfortunately, in this instance, we didn't explain this properly, and we sincerely regret the frustration and confusion caused.

Can't say I've run across this before but I'm also not in the habit of spending $1k in person.

I would expect this to be KYC/AML not tax requirements.

Yeah the PnS reply sounds like made up rubbish. There’s an employee that has come out saying a manager asked for the mum to be checked because is sick of “mouldy” people (their spelling to indicate the pronunciation) stealing cards.

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#3350007 4-Mar-2025 14:34

SomeoneSomewhere:

I would expect this to be KYC/AML not tax requirements.

If banks only need to report $10,000 or more, why would a grocery store have to report $ 1,000?

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#3350009 4-Mar-2025 14:57

Banks need to proactively report 10k or more; banks still need to maintain records for smaller amounts, and presumably supply them when required.

Perhaps there is a requirement to attach a name to these mid-size transactions.

P&S seems to be 'trade not supplied' only on specific products.

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#3350016 4-Mar-2025 16:05

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Hasn't it always been a thing to ask for and put a name on invoices over $1000 tho? Not that its a AML thing where you have to see and record ID and stuff, its just asking for a name and putting it there. In the past when I have bought PC stuff from a random shop over $1k they just asked my name and put it there, as I would have expected.

Yeah. If the transaction is greater than $1000 it's a legal requirement to issue an invoice with the buyers name and one identifier (address, email address, phone number, NBN or website).

That doesn't mean they need ID, just the buyers details.

https://www.ird.govt.nz/gst/tax-invoices-for-gst/how-tax-invoices-for-gst-work

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#3350024 4-Mar-2025 16:37

Is a mum that’s just buying their family’s groceries a “GST registered buyer”?

that page just seems to be aimed at a sellers obligation to be able to provide a legitimate invoice to a buyer that may be requesting it for their own tax requirements.

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#3350035 4-Mar-2025 17:06

MadEngineer:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/543689/pak-n-save-whanganui-apologises-after-grilling-customer-over-1000-grocery-bill

What?

if it were me being asked to provide ID in this same situation (unlikely - I’m white), I’d respond it exactly the same way. Has anyone been asked to provide ID when they’ve purchased a TV, for example? The only time they should be doing that is at the time of presenting a credit card

I wouldn't. I would simply leave the store. They cannot detain you, nor does any 'policy' apply if not pointed out in advance. The legal requirements for a contract have been met already. Any questioning they wished to do needed to be done before completing the transaction.

As for any questioning of my purchases, they would get the same answer as anyone else (including law enforcement) - None of your damn business.

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#3350037 4-Mar-2025 17:08

MadEngineer:

Is a mum that’s just buying their family’s groceries a “GST registered buyer”?

that page just seems to be aimed at a sellers obligation to be able to provide a legitimate invoice to a buyer that may be requesting it for their own tax requirements.

How would they be expected to know whether a buyer is registered? There is no obligation on a buyer to disclose this. It’s reasonable practice to issue an invoice for all transactions over the threshold.

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#3350043 4-Mar-2025 17:22

Pak n Save not doing well in the media today https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/04/charges-filed-against-two-paknsaves-for-misleading-specials/

Silverdale and Hamilton shops prosecuted over alleged Fair Trading Act breaches.

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#3350049 4-Mar-2025 17:52

Handle9:

MadEngineer:

Is a mum that’s just buying their family’s groceries a “GST registered buyer”?

that page just seems to be aimed at a sellers obligation to be able to provide a legitimate invoice to a buyer that may be requesting it for their own tax requirements.

How would they be expected to know whether a buyer is registered? There is no obligation on a buyer to disclose this. It’s reasonable practice to issue an invoice for all transactions over the threshold.

They don’t. Yet to see the requirement to do so. Because the customer might ask for a GST receipt. Not that you would, as the receipt from the till will suffice for their own purposes as described on that page.

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