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#2918907 26-May-2022 13:14

networkn:It's a target. It's probably unachievable, but the aim is to lower it as much as feasible.

I get the feeling you are just being argumentative for the sake of it.

It is totally unachievable and if you knew how accidents happened you'd understand why.

Augmentative? No, I'm questioning the status and you certainly show you don't know the answers. The question is, if so much time and expense on investigating an accident is the case why are drivers not made aware of the causes and possibly learn from them?

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#2918911 26-May-2022 13:21

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It is totally unachievable and if you knew how accidents happened you'd understand why.

Augmentative? No, I'm questioning the status and you certainly show you don't know the answers. The question is, if so much time and expense on investigating an accident is the case why are drivers not made aware of the causes and possibly learn from them?

Questioning the status of what? I suggest you spend the time you have spent on writing these silly replies looking into the process, purpose and outcomes of coronial inquests. The answers you seek are there.

Not all deaths are referred to the coroner. Not every inquiry is going to have an amazing life-changing revelation at the end of it which will magically solve the cause.

Like all investigations, some will be a total waste of time and resources, it's the nature of the beast.

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#2918915 26-May-2022 13:25

RollyShed:

which is why the road Serious Crash Investigation Unit never puts out a public report on an accident?

You can ask for a report if you really want to know.

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-services/request-traffic-crash-report-tcr

Try asking for every one from 2021 and see how you get on. Let us know.

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#2918916 26-May-2022 13:26

RollyShed:

Augmentative? No, I'm questioning the status and you certainly show you don't know the answers. The question is, if so much time and expense on investigating an accident is the case why are drivers not made aware of the causes and possibly learn from them?

You made your point. Time to move on.

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#2918939 26-May-2022 14:04

RollyShed:

.... The question is, if so much time and expense on investigating an accident is the case why are drivers not made aware of the causes and possibly learn from them?

I guess the answer is they are, albeit indirectly. As has been mentioned earlier, the public interest in raw reports is likely minimal. Instead there are bunches of experienced and qualified analyst and engineers who digest and crunch these reports resulting in targeted advertising campaigns (as well as road safety improvements, vehicle safety standards and who knows what else). The effectiveness of (some) of these may be questioned by some, but that's a different topic.

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#2918948 26-May-2022 14:24

networkn:

The bigger issue is that we have spent an (yet again) unknown number of hundred million dollars on a buy back scheme that will have achieved very little. Those willing to sell their guns aren't the ones likely to be committing the crimes using them, and those who want to keep their weapons a secret, will have been pretty much unaffected by this scheme.

However, it is now less likely that someone could steal a MSSA from a legitimate owner. Only licensed collectors and criminals now have MSSAs.

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#2918949 26-May-2022 14:25

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Seeing $1000+ photography items listed for sale on various classifieds platforms with reason for sale stating 'Unwanted Gift'.

Who are these people who are prepared give a four-figure present to someone that they obviously don't know well enough to know what they'd like. I want to meet them and be their friend.

You want someone to give you stuff you don't want? ???

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#2918950 26-May-2022 14:27

networkn:

elpenguino:

Try writing more clearly.

It doesn't seem to be that anyone else is having trouble picking up what I was saying...

Or maybe no-one else cares...

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#2918952 26-May-2022 14:28

frankv:

Or maybe no-one else cares...

Yet you cared enough to liven up a discussion that had already ended.

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#2918953 26-May-2022 14:30

You folks nitpicking at each other are so funny.

Step away from the keyboard.

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#2918974 26-May-2022 15:10

Geektastic:

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Here they appear to have all sorts of other stuff (the making recommendations thing for example) that really renders them quasi-political rather than judicial IMV.

Recommending a solution isn't political. It's practical.

Implementing the solution - or not - is where any politics comes in. Hopefully not much politics. Coroners tend to be a pretty moderate bunch.....

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#2918978 26-May-2022 15:23

Geektastic: Here [NZ] they appear to have all sorts of other stuff (the making recommendations thing for example)

UK coroners are required by law to make recommendations to prevent future deaths:

https://www.judiciary.uk/related-offices-and-bodies/office-chief-coroner/https-www-judiciary-uk-subject-community-health-care-and-emergency-services-related-deaths/#:~:text=Paragraph%207%20of%20Schedule%205,taken%20to%20prevent%20future%20deaths.

No doubt there are some differrences. On the face it is very similar.

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#2918983 26-May-2022 15:34

frankv:]

However, it is now less likely that someone could steal a MSSA from a legitimate owner. Only licensed collectors and criminals now have MSSAs.

So, how many MSSAs were stolen from legitimate owners in the 5 years leading up to 2019? That's a genuine question - I don't know the answer, but presumably the team that did the cost:benefit analysis for however many $M were spent on the "buyback" knew this. Unless it was just an emotional knee-jerk reaction but I can't believe the government would do that

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#2918986 26-May-2022 15:53

shk292:
frankv:]

However, it is now less likely that someone could steal a MSSA from a legitimate owner. Only licensed collectors and criminals now have MSSAs.

So, how many MSSAs were stolen from legitimate owners in the 5 years leading up to 2019? That's a genuine question - I don't know the answer, but presumably the team that did the cost:benefit analysis for however many $M were spent on the "buyback" knew this. Unless it was just an emotional knee-jerk reaction but I can't believe the government would do that

This isn't rocket science. If the guns aren't available or legal then they will be less likely to be visible or used in any context.....especially harmful ones. Being visible will attract the attention of enforcement and result in penalties.

It's weird seeing people struggle to understand this . Or simply refusing to.

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#2918990 26-May-2022 15:59

shk292:

frankv:]

However, it is now less likely that someone could steal a MSSA from a legitimate owner. Only licensed collectors and criminals now have MSSAs.

So, how many MSSAs were stolen from legitimate owners in the 5 years leading up to 2019? That's a genuine question - I don't know the answer, but presumably the team that did the cost:benefit analysis for however many $M were spent on the "buyback" knew this. Unless it was just an emotional knee-jerk reaction but I can't believe the government would do that

Why are you mentioning theft of weapons? The buy back was to stop legal owners running amok a la Christchurch, Aramoana etc.

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