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  #865084 24-Jul-2013 14:40
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Klipspringer:[snip]

Thats why I said I have been automatically "opted in" without actually wanting any of it.

So yes it would be a good idea.


You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.

Cheers - N




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  #865085 24-Jul-2013 14:42
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Talkiet:
Klipspringer:[snip]

Thats why I said I have been automatically "opted in" without actually wanting any of it.

So yes it would be a good idea.


You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.

Cheers - N



I think ISPs should filter the entire internet and we should have to go through a checklist with a trillion checkboxes and decide which sites we would like to view. 




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  #865086 24-Jul-2013 14:42
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ubergeeknz: I don't think there's any argument against child porn being illegal.  I think it's fair to say that it's pretty easy to define what is, and what isn't, child pornography.

The proposal in the UK is to restrict everyone's internet access to all kinds of pornography, illegal or not.  To access any kind of pornography (or whatever the state deems to be pornography), people would have to "opt in".  That's what we're talking about here.


Agreed. And I dont want any of it.

And I should not have to "opt out" from receiving it either.

If people want porn then they can have it, all they need to do is "opt in"

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  #865087 24-Jul-2013 14:42
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Let's just make everything opt-in, so your ISP has to maintain a per-subscriber whitelist of content types you're allowed!

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  #865088 24-Jul-2013 14:45
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We should also build roadblocks with armed guards for any streets with strip clubs, or adult shops.  Just to keep people safe.

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  #865089 24-Jul-2013 14:47
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ubergeeknz: I don't think there's any argument against child porn being illegal.  I think it's fair to say that it's pretty easy to define what is, and what isn't, child pornography.

The proposal in the UK is to restrict everyone's internet access to all kinds of pornography, illegal or not.  To access any kind of pornography (or whatever the state deems to be pornography), people would have to "opt in".  That's what we're talking about here.


Agreed. And I dont want any of it.

And I should not have to "opt out" from receiving it either.

If people want porn then they can have it, all they need to do is "opt in"


Or... you could exercise personal responsibility for your own browsing habits, and those of anyone you are responsible for.

Cheers - N




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  #865091 24-Jul-2013 14:48
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ubergeeknz: We should also build roadblocks with armed guards for any streets with strip clubs, or adult shops.  Just to keep people safe.


QFT

Also strip search anyone coming within 100 feet radius as they are probably terrorists




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  #865092 24-Jul-2013 14:49
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Talkiet: You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.


Well out of a million possible categories I could choose to "opt in" or "opt out". Porn would probably be the single biggest category I would be quiet happy to have automatically blocked.

I assume too that this is the case with most people, especially those with kids.



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  #865096 24-Jul-2013 14:51
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Klipspringer:
Talkiet: You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.


Well out of a million possible categories I could choose to "opt in" or "opt out". Porn would probably be the single biggest category I would be quiet happy to have automatically blocked.

I assume too that this is the case with most people, especially those with kids.


Really? Porn more damaging that white supremacist hate speech?

More damaging than sites set up to promote bullying of gay and lesbian teenagers in schools?

More damaging than religious cults?

Cheers - N




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  #865097 24-Jul-2013 14:52
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Talkiet:

Or... you could exercise personal responsibility for your own browsing habits, and those of anyone you are responsible for.

Cheers - N



Whatever mate. I do all of that already.

A change like this would just make my life a lot easier - Anything wrong with that?

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  #865111 24-Jul-2013 14:54
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My current thinking is:

Home - install a router that will allow you to impose filtered dns.
Mobile - providers should offer a service where a device gets the same as above.

I think the key here is to prevent content from coming up that's not expected, where possible.

I fully agree with what Mark said about parenting.

I also agree with all those who suggest that a child can get past just about anything you put up.

I think the key is that if they choose to seek then that's different, our job as parents is to protect them from imposition.

I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.

To much porn makes anyone sick in my view.

I wonder about the value of a service that just pings you an email when your time on a url pattern has jumped to a level that you're not happy is healthy.

I know this would do little for a person who's filled up their device with porn and is just viewing, but the point is about a level of effort.

However, having said all that, it's more about education. I've had some interesting conversations with my neighbour recently about a course that they ran that their local church.

They talked about porn being a drug and the impact on the brain and about being aware of what you're doing.

Course has never been suggested at my church nor by my ISP.

There's lots more we could be doing to address the issues, long before we just start blacking out parts of the net.

But what is this debate really about?

Is it about health and safety or selling big flash boxes with blinking lights?

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  #865112 24-Jul-2013 14:55
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Talkiet:
Klipspringer:
Talkiet: You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.


Well out of a million possible categories I could choose to "opt in" or "opt out". Porn would probably be the single biggest category I would be quiet happy to have automatically blocked.

I assume too that this is the case with most people, especially those with kids.


Really? Porn more damaging that white supremacist hate speech?

More damaging than sites set up to promote bullying of gay and lesbian teenagers in schools?

More damaging than religious cults?

Cheers - N



Lets put porn in the top 5. Porn is so easy to stumble upon. Its not everyday I have stumbled upon any of those other kind of sites you mention. I don't believe they nearly as much of a problem.

At the end of the day I think it would be a good idea to have this responsibility handed over to ISP's.

PS: Love the way you mention "white supremacists". What about "black supremacists"? That probably a problem too.

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  #865113 24-Jul-2013 14:57
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freitasm: Fixed your post for you... It's "pornography" not "phornography".

for a moment there I thought it was even funny. Easier to call it "porn".


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  #865116 24-Jul-2013 14:58
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Klipspringer:
Talkiet:

Or... you could exercise personal responsibility for your own browsing habits, and those of anyone you are responsible for.

Cheers - N



Whatever mate. I do all of that already.

A change like this would just make my life a lot easier - Anything wrong with that?



Yes, and stick with me on this...

Either it's done badly, and it doesn't work well (easy to work around, misses lots of stuff, slow, etc) or it will become one of the most expensive capabilities ISPs have to build and maintain. Not only that, but it will impact on Internet use in ways you just can't comprehend.

To be perfect, places like youtube would need to be blocked. Same with Vimeo, same with dailymotion, same with Facebook etc. Any site with user generated content will be at high risk. Filtering these would be prohibitively expensive.

So you have a choice between a bad solution that doesn't actually block much (and blocks a lot of stuff it shouldn't) and an impossibly expensive solution that will result in vast swathes of the internet being blocked.

If you go for option 1, you're still going to have to do the policing yourself, and option 2 is never going to fly.

This is about making people feel better that they are doing something, ANYTHING, rather than a solution that actually works.

Cheers - N




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  #865117 24-Jul-2013 14:58
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DonGould: My current thinking is:

Home - install a router that will allow you to impose filtered dns.
Mobile - providers should offer a service where a device gets the same as above.

I think the key here is to prevent content from coming up that's not expected, where possible.

I fully agree with what Mark said about parenting.

I also agree with all those who suggest that a child can get past just about anything you put up.

I think the key is that if they choose to seek then that's different, our job as parents is to protect them from imposition.

I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.

To much porn makes anyone sick in my view.

I wonder about the value of a service that just pings you an email when your time on a url pattern has jumped to a level that you're not happy is healthy.

I know this would do little for a person who's filled up their device with porn and is just viewing, but the point is about a level of effort.

However, having said all that, it's more about education. I've had some interesting conversations with my neighbour recently about a course that they ran that their local church.

They talked about porn being a drug and the impact on the brain and about being aware of what you're doing.

Course has never been suggested at my church nor by my ISP.

There's lots more we could be doing to address the issues, long before we just start blacking out parts of the net.

But what is this debate really about?

Is it about health and safety or selling big flash boxes with blinking lights?

D


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