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Topic # 126932 24-Jul-2013 12:59
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This is following the recent news about James Cameron proposal to bring restriction on access to ponography at ISP level.  As a parent of teenager even with a level of geekyness kids are now-a-days are too smart and they can access porn in the web. Thinking of the general public most of the parents doesn't know even the abc of computer leave alone the internet. I think in my opinion NZ also should follow UK in imposing restriction at ISP level.  Please post your view/opinion/suggestions.

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  Reply # 864999 24-Jul-2013 13:03
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I think censorship at that level is dangerous




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  Reply # 865002 24-Jul-2013 13:09
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I completely disagree with forced censorship at that level, because it sets a dangerous precedent for censorship on a variety of other topics and media. I certainly think it'd be good to have *optional* censorship for some types of family-unfriendly content sure - well, there are already ways to do this, but they should be simpler for Average Joe & Jane to set up - but forcing it upon all, no. How about when they decide you're no longer allowed to view news from overseas sources, or access certain types of religious content etc. Besides, why just ban one album... :P




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  Reply # 865005 24-Jul-2013 13:13
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How much are you prepared to pay for this? ANd how bad an implementation are you prepared to put up with? (ie, one that's trivially worked around, and one that has heaps of false positive impacts? Perhaps one that also adversely affects performance for all other websites.

If the answer if you're prepared to pay a lot for a bad solution, then yeah, let's go ahead and now think about the ethical and moral implications of censorship.

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  Reply # 865007 24-Jul-2013 13:14
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Or, alternatively, there's a good argument in the ever pithy...

"Parent, it's a verb too"

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  Reply # 865008 24-Jul-2013 13:15
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They sill start with a porn ban but then seeing as the kit is in place there is nothing stopping them making our internet like China's.

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  Reply # 865010 24-Jul-2013 13:19
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As a step-parent to a 14 year old and someone who was a teenager with internet access - why do you want to prevent them looking at porn?

I totally understand little kids not being exposed to stuff, but your kid shouldn't be using the internet unsupervised before 12-13 in my opinion.

After that, it is up to you to have a dialog with your kids about reality and what is ok and what isn't and hope your morals have got through. Beyond that, everyone does it and through your teenage years it is even more present and interesting.

Blocking access to porn (or damn near anything) makes it elusive and exciting - which will just make them want it more. Note my attitude on this does not extend to drinking, sex and smoking - so might be a bit hypocritical.

Censorship of the internet is not a good thing.

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  Reply # 865011 24-Jul-2013 13:19
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Citizens should be given more rights rather than have them taken away from you.




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  Reply # 865012 24-Jul-2013 13:22
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There's porn on the internet?

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  Reply # 865013 24-Jul-2013 13:24
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I think it passes the parents responsibility onto the ISP. It also in a way restricts peoples freedom and privacy.


Lets say Joe Bloggs likes to look at adult websites therefore if he wants to do so under the what the OP article is proposing he has to ring up his ISP which he might be embarrassed about even though its perfectly legal just immoral to some, he then also has the risk of what happens if the call taker at the ISP recognises him which would add further embarrassment.

The internet in all its greatness allows people to feel they have a certain level of privacy and anonymity to go about their private life.

Just my 2cents.

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  Reply # 865014 24-Jul-2013 13:25
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Such blocks are probably good for the economy due to additional spending for VPNs.




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  Reply # 865016 24-Jul-2013 13:27
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Not quite sure why blocking field recording at the ISP is required ;-)

But if you mean pornography then it's a futile exercise! If kids want to find the naughty stuff they will .. part of being kids! And it's not up to anyone other than the parents of the kids to handle it (otherwise it's a big old nanny state!)

What you could do is edumacate children so that it's not really such a big deal. It's what we're doing with our boys, anything they want to know about we'll show them (within reason!) .. last week we searched for the woman with the biggest breasts, boys went "wow!!" and that was the end of that and back onto Ben10, the other day it was childbirth (a friend had a baby and the boys wanted to know how that worked) ... lots of "eewwwssss!!" later and again back to Batman ...  if you get all secretive about things then they'll get all secretive trying to find it out and it all gets embarrassing for them.
Same goes for alcohol, make it no big deal .. keep saying "I FORBID you to drink!!" and of course they are going to want it all the more :-)

Always amazed how parents forget what they used to be like as kids :-)

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  Reply # 865018 24-Jul-2013 13:29
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kiwiyan: This is following the recent news about James Cameron proposal to bring restriction on access to phonography at ISP level.  As a parent of teenager even with a level of geekyness kids are now-a-days are too smart and they can access porn in the web. Thinking of the general public most of the parents doesn't know even the abc of computer leave alone the internet. I think in my opinion NZ also should follow UK in imposing restriction at ISP level.  Please post your view/opinion/suggestions.


In my opinion if you're concerned about what your teenagers are doing on the internet, then supervise them while they're doing it. That's what we do with our children.

Also you should note that David Cameron - not James Cameron, he makes movies - has backed down, as he has finally conceded that such a system won't actually work anyway. In fact to be fair, I did try installing some software on my son's computer to assist, but the first thing he tried to do when we gave him the computer - which was to read the Wikipedia article on bacteria - was blocked by it as being 'Japanese Pornography'. The mind boggles.




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  Reply # 865020 24-Jul-2013 13:30
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Mark: Not quite sure why blocking field recording at the ISP is required ;-)

But if you mean pornography then it's a futile exercise! If kids want to find the naughty stuff they will .. part of being kids! And it's not up to anyone other than the parents of the kids to handle it (otherwise it's a big old nanny state!)

What you could do is edumacate children so that it's not really such a big deal. It's what we're doing with our boys, anything they want to know about we'll show them (within reason!) .. last week we searched for the woman with the biggest breasts, boys went "wow!!" and that was the end of that and back onto Ben10, the other day it was childbirth (a friend had a baby and the boys wanted to know how that worked) ... lots of "eewwwssss!!" later and again back to Batman ...  if you get all secretive about things then they'll get all secretive trying to find it out and it all gets embarrassing for them.
Same goes for alcohol, make it no big deal .. keep saying "I FORBID you to drink!!" and of course they are going to want it all the more :-)

Always amazed how parents forget what they used to be like as kids :-)


Careful Mark, what you're describing there is active and responsible parenting. If that was to catch on there'd be significantly less for people to get upset about.

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  Reply # 865021 24-Jul-2013 13:31
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kiwitrc: There's porn on the internet?


And here I was thinking the internet was full of pussies...




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  Reply # 865025 24-Jul-2013 13:36
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kiwitrc: There's porn on the internet?


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