Auckland Weather 27/01/23 and Cyclone Gabrielle

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#3036872 15-Feb-2023 10:23

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Oh, and for those interested in what happened with our in ground vinyl pool, finally got someone out to assess it and he said its stuffed. Will need complete rebuild and new vinyl.

He said technically we could clean it out and use it, but wont look fantastic and probably get a lot worse.

Have you decided on a plan? I assume it'll be covered by insurance?

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#3036873 15-Feb-2023 10:24

Looking at the damage in Eastern regions I feel we need to urgently change the way forestry is carried out in Aotearoa. There is huge volumes of slash being carried off from clear felling into the waterways creating dams and when this stuff gets into flooded rivers its like a tsunami

of mud, water and wood which is destroys everything in its path. We need to ban clear felling and require the forestry companies to take away the slash and deal with it properly.

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#3036874 15-Feb-2023 10:26

MikeB4:

Looking at the damage in Eastern regions I feel we need to urgently change the way forestry is carried out in Aotearoa. There is huge volumes of slash being carried off from clear felling into the waterways creating dams and when this stuff gets into flooded rivers its like a tsunami

of mud, water and wood which is destroys everything in its path. We need to ban clear felling and require the forestry companies to take away the slash and deal with it properly.

The main cause is they aren't allowed to burn it anymore, and H&S red tape means they don't want to let the public cut it up for firewood. It's got to go somewhere, and it has to be economical. Lugging it all out isn't feasible.

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#3036876 15-Feb-2023 10:31

wratterus:

The main cause is they aren't allowed to burn it anymore, and H&S red tape means they don't want to let the public cut it up for firewood. It's got to go somewhere, and it has to be economical. Lugging it all out isn't feasible.

It only seems economical because they aren't paying for the cleanup resulting from the disasters they cause. As usual, a great example of privatizing profit, and socializing loss.

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#3036878 15-Feb-2023 10:32

wratterus:

The main cause is they aren't allowed to burn it anymore. It's got to go somewhere, and it has to be economical. Lugging it all out isn't feasible.

Letting it sit there until the next weather event then destoying houses, bridges, farms, down stream waterways, beaches etc etc is not economical or sensible in anyway. They could mulch it and truck it out. With climate change this situation is only going to get worse if nothing is done or will it need x number of lives lost before change happens. Why should folks many kilometers aways have to clean up the mess.

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#3036947 15-Feb-2023 10:44

MikeB4:

Looking at the damage in Eastern regions I feel we need to urgently change the way forestry is carried out in Aotearoa. There is huge volumes of slash being carried off from clear felling into the waterways creating dams and when this stuff gets into flooded rivers its like a tsunami

of mud, water and wood which is destroys everything in its path. We need to ban clear felling and require the forestry companies to take away the slash and deal with it properly.

Exactly.

Also there's no clearing of shingle from the channels as there used to be in the days of my youth. Those river channels are not as deep as they used to be and along with all the debris are not able to move the required volume of water.

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#3036951 15-Feb-2023 10:49

Yeah - all caused by over regulation & over zealous environmental policies.

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#3036952 15-Feb-2023 10:54

wratterus:
Yeah - all caused by over regulation & over zealous environmental policies.

What?

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#3036957 15-Feb-2023 11:13

We were returning home from Honolulu to Auckland last night and were about 10 minutes from landing at Auckland and pilot was advised that the airport is not shut due to no gates available and we were then diverted to Sydney. When we arrived in Sydney, we told to find a hotel for ourselves as management has not been able to find any due to number of diverted flights to Sydney prior in the day so all hotels were heavily booked. Luckily my cousin lives in Sydney and came and picked us up at 11pm. They also did not unload our luggage from aircraft for security reasons as same aircraft will be used to fly us back.

It took us an hour of hunting Sydney at 1AM to find a petrol station that sells nappies for toddler and baby as we had run our of nappies in our carry on luggage during the extended flight time and all spare nappies were in checked in baggage. Flight is rebooted again for 2.30pm Sydney time today but Auckland airport shows HA445 landing 16th Feb 12.30am tomorrow early morning so time difference does not make any sense. Hawaiian airlines website still shows that HA445 landed in Auckland at scheduled time of 9.15pm.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#3036959 15-Feb-2023 11:17

billgates: We were returning home from Honolulu to Auckland last night and were about 10 minutes from landing at Auckland and pilot was advised that the airport is not shut due to no gates available and we were then diverted to Sydney. When we arrived in Sydney, we told to find a hotel for ourselves as management has not been able to find any due to number of diverted flights to Sydney prior in the day so all hotels were heavily booked. Luckily my cousin lives in Sydney and came and picked us up at 11pm. They also did not unload our luggage from aircraft for security reasons as same aircraft will be used to fly us back.

It took us an hour of hunting Sydney at 1AM to find a petrol station that sells nappies for toddler and baby as we had run our of nappies in our carry on luggage during the extended flight time and all spare nappies were in checked in baggage. Flight is rebooted again for 2.30pm Sydney time today but Auckland airport shows HA445 landing 16th Feb 12.30am tomorrow early morning so time difference does not make any sense. Hawaiian airlines website still shows that HA445 landed in Auckland at scheduled time of 9.15pm.

What a bugger, especially with a baby! Hope you get home on the next flight.

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#3036966 15-Feb-2023 11:28

MikeB4:

Looking at the damage in Eastern regions I feel we need to urgently change the way forestry is carried out in Aotearoa. There is huge volumes of slash being carried off from clear felling into the waterways creating dams and when this stuff gets into flooded rivers its like a tsunami

of mud, water and wood which is destroys everything in its path. We need to ban clear felling and require the forestry companies to take away the slash and deal with it properly.

Also a lot of the forestry is on very hilly ground. Once the trees are logged heavy rain just washes the soil away.

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#3036968 15-Feb-2023 11:34

Need to reduce water extraction for farms and increase minimum flow to wash away gravels and deepen River beds.

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#3036973 15-Feb-2023 11:44

SJB:

Also a lot of the forestry is on very hilly ground. Once the trees are logged heavy rain just washes the soil away.

Bingo,

BIG, chunks of all of this forestry was subsidised by the Government in the wake of Cyclone Bola in '88 as a way to limit huge amounts of erosion, ( the high country soils in that part of the world are very soft and erosion prone)

The slash is left on the land in an attempt to provide some stabilisation while new seedlings bed in, removing it would likely *increase* the amount of erosion until new seeds bed in.... so its really a no win....

https://mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/3999-east-coast-forestry-project-review

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#3036974 15-Feb-2023 11:47

Dredging may work in some places at some times, then there is cost.

Slash is certainly a big problem the way it gouges the land, further speeding erosion, taking out infrastructure.
Forestry companies are not paying to rebuild bridges, reinstate eroded roads and such.

You really can't dredge a river enough to allow for a free flow of slash.
Even if you build large arch bridges without piers in the middle,
the abutments are still vulnerable to erosion.

We have an export logging industry that won't sell to local sawmills despite demand.
Timber needed here for building is an ongoing problem, mills close.
Yeh we can just buy it back as sawn timber from China.

Destroying the landscape due to methods used, infrastructure costs they don't bear apart from odd token partial beach clearing an individual contractor might do on their own conscience?
Oh good on the few that do , but...

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#3036978 15-Feb-2023 12:03

If we stop the stupid clear felling and start selective logging the trees provide the stability on the hills. If a hill is clear felled and the loose slash is left behind on the now unprotected soil it is a disaster waiting to happen. And it has happened time and time again. Climate change is only going to make it worse. We need to learn the lesson and realise that continuing without change is stupidity if not criminal neglect. We have so far come through without a great loss of life but that has been by good luck not good management.

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