TV 1 and the Grace Millane Trial - WAY OVER THE TOP ❗️

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#2360653 25-Nov-2019 22:14

The UK has no suppression laws - at least, not in the way they apply here.

Judges can (and do) order suppression when the court is convinced that there are reasons. Complainants in rape trials get automatic suppression, something which has raised questions of ethics and fairness because the accused gets their name smeared all over the paper even if acquitted at the end and even if the accusations were malicious (there have been several quite high profile occurrences of that in the UK in the last couple of years).

Other than that, there are instances where people apply for injunctions to prevent things being reported or published. They can apply to things that have nothing to do with criminal (or other) trials though.

Even here it is a bit silly.

"Police are searching for Fred Bloggs in connection with an armed robbery he was seen committing in Napier. If you have any information, please call Crimestoppers."

A week later

"A person, who cannot be named, was arrested for the armed robbery in Napier we reported here last week."

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#2360787 26-Nov-2019 09:44

Geektastic:

The UK has no suppression laws - at least, not in the way they apply here.

Judges can (and do) order suppression when the court is convinced that there are reasons. Complainants in rape trials get automatic suppression, something which has raised questions of ethics and fairness because the accused gets their name smeared all over the paper even if acquitted at the end and even if the accusations were malicious (there have been several quite high profile occurrences of that in the UK in the last couple of years).

Other than that, there are instances where people apply for injunctions to prevent things being reported or published. They can apply to things that have nothing to do with criminal (or other) trials though.

Even here it is a bit silly.

"Police are searching for Fred Bloggs in connection with an armed robbery he was seen committing in Napier. If you have any information, please call Crimestoppers."

A week later

"A person, who cannot be named, was arrested for the armed robbery in Napier we reported here last week."

it's how the justice system works , in the first instance they were looking for so and so and he was a person of interest , now we have arrested him he could still be innocent so in case he is we wont name him.

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#2361539 27-Nov-2019 14:43

I felt very sorry for Grace and her family during the trial. Even on RNZ it was approaching saturation coverage some days.

However... there is a public interest in reporting the trial and information that has probative value needs to be included in reporting. In this case whether her death was deliberate, wreckless or accidental was central to the trial. Therefore and unfortunately, a lot of the more sensitive material was relevant to the public interest.

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#2361540 27-Nov-2019 14:48

I don't disagree with you, but the result of this is still get murdered and have your whole life dragged out in the tabloid press. Something just doesn't seem right about that.

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#2361627 27-Nov-2019 15:29

Rikkitic:

I don't disagree with you, but the result of this is still get murdered and have your whole life dragged out in the tabloid press. Something just doesn't seem right about that.

I agree with you, I am very troubled though that her name is front and center throughout all of this yet his name is suppressed. Yes his name will become available during sentencing I presume but does just does not seem right.

I tried to take as little notice as I could of the trial but it was there everywhere you went so hard to stay completely away. I just feel so bad for her family.

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#2362014 28-Nov-2019 09:05

JaseNZ:

Rikkitic:

I don't disagree with you, but the result of this is still get murdered and have your whole life dragged out in the tabloid press. Something just doesn't seem right about that.

I agree with you, I am very troubled though that her name is front and center throughout all of this yet his name is suppressed. Yes his name will become available during sentencing I presume but does just does not seem right.

I tried to take as little notice as I could of the trial but it was there everywhere you went so hard to stay completely away. I just feel so bad for her family.

I agree the whole thing thoroughly sucks and it must be unimaginably awful for her family. We need fair and transparent trials so the public can have confidence in the justice system and its outcomes. The families of victims pay a very high price for this sometimes.

There was a conviction after very thorough sifting of evidence by the court. Ditto in Dunedin where Venod Skantha was also convicted.

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#2362106 28-Nov-2019 09:48

I do think the reporting could have been much more nuanced. If absolutely necessary, let the defense discuss the victim's sex life at the trial but reporting of that can easily be sanitised and generalised without undermining the principle of open justice. There is no need to dwell on every last gory detail in the media.

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#2362313 28-Nov-2019 13:24

The TVNZ reporting was shameful. If they have to preface a report with something like 'some viewers may find this distressing etc' why do they have to include it? And practically what if you didn't want your kids to hear it but you were not in the room at the time? This was way before any watershed time.

And the report might take 2 minutes. That's a 2 minute summary of a day where evidence may have been presented for several hours. There's plenty of other material they could use.

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#2362330 28-Nov-2019 14:07

Totally agree with the above comments regarding TVNZ. They should be ashamed of themselves. They are government-owned and, although they have editorial independence, they should set a higher standard.

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#2362332 28-Nov-2019 14:10

It would be good if one of the Mods could correct the spelling in the title to this thread from Milane to Millane as a small mark of respect.

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#2362388 28-Nov-2019 18:03

I did find the wall to wall coverage interesting.

In Dunedin you have a thirty something doctor having a relationship with a 16 year old girl on the side whom when threatened with being reported to employer, murdered the teenager and whose mother subsequently committed suicide vrs pretty tourist goes on date and is murdered.

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#2362391 28-Nov-2019 18:17

And there are a bunch more trials for murdered women coming up. Just this week a mother of 8 was killed. :(

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#2362393 28-Nov-2019 18:31

afe66: I did find the wall to wall coverage interesting.

In Dunedin you have a thirty something doctor having a relationship with a 16 year old girl on the side whom when threatened with being reported to employer, murdered the teenager and whose mother subsequently committed suicide vrs pretty tourist goes on date and is murdered.

These awful things do not happen for our entertainment. A mother who commits suicide because of a horrible attack on her daughter (I think she discovered the body) is not supposed to be titillating.

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#2362443 28-Nov-2019 22:04

Both cases are horrific but the differing amount of coverage says something about the media and their perception of what the public wants.

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#2362449 28-Nov-2019 22:31

lyrics from a 2006 song , says a lot

Eye on the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be like
Killed by the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
She used a poison
In his tea
And kissed him goodbye
That's my kind of story
It's no fun until someone dies

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