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  #3121227 28-Aug-2023 14:37
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alasta:

 

Out of sheer fascination, I went and observed a couple of these morons after they glued themselves to the road a few months ago. There were at least half a dozen police officers there, trying to handle the stressful job of turning around the blocked motorists while removing the protestors.

 

How much would it have cost the taxpayer to provide those police resources, and how many potentially life threatening police callouts would have been delayed as a result? 

 

I was thinking we should send them the bill, but then most of them are probably unemployed and broke. 

 

 

I dare say if this was all happening 100 years ago you'd be saying exactly ther same thing about the suffragettes. Or is the difference between road and railing that small.





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  #3121229 28-Aug-2023 14:54
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I dare say if this was all happening 100 years ago you'd be saying exactly ther same thing about the suffragettes. Or is the difference between road and railing that small.

 

 

 

 

Indeed. They were originally the suffragists. The word 'suffragette' was a perjorative, pronounced with a hard 'g' - suffra-get, because the silly uppity women thought they should get the vote.

 

 





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  #3121231 28-Aug-2023 14:55
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Talkiet:

 

Personally, I'm going to figure out what political party opposes what these protesters want and vote that way. It's a tiny act but I feel there should be consequences for their activities to frustrate and upset so many people.

 

Notice how I'm not even sure what they are protesting for/against - To me the entire story is about their methods, not their motivation. If they wanted to influence me, not only have they failed, but they have gone backwards. And that's their fault - not mine.

 

 

They don't actually care about any legitimate political issue. They're just lashing out at wider society because they don't have the life skills to deal with their own personal problems. 




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  #3121234 28-Aug-2023 15:03
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alasta:

Talkiet:


Personally, I'm going to figure out what political party opposes what these protesters want and vote that way. It's a tiny act but I feel there should be consequences for their activities to frustrate and upset so many people.


Notice how I'm not even sure what they are protesting for/against - To me the entire story is about their methods, not their motivation. If they wanted to influence me, not only have they failed, but they have gone backwards. And that's their fault - not mine.



They don't actually care about any legitimate political issue. They're just lashing out at wider society because they don't have the life skills to deal with their own personal problems. 



That’s a very broad brush to paint. Do you have any actual evidence of that?

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  #3121237 28-Aug-2023 15:10
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johno1234:

 

I' m OK with inconveniencing. But blocking roads is way beyond that when people are trapped in gridlock, miss hospital and doctors visits, job interviews, kids left uncollected, emergency vehicles blocked and so on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet if that kind of protest had happened regularly 30 years ago, the climate wouldn't currently be balanced right on the knife's edge between "cheese is for millionaires and my house now has a 50/50 chance of being bowled over by the extreme weather in the next 20 years" and "I wonder if my grandchildren will die from famine or war as technological society collapses and someone starts WWIII to try to gain control of what's left?"

 

 

I think you are wrong there. If that kind of protest happened regularly 30 years ago it would alienate the cause just as it does now and achieve nothing. People would have been even less tolerant of it back then.

 

 


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  #3121238 28-Aug-2023 15:11
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Remove piece of road, leave attached to protester and let protester carry on with their day. Repair road. Problem solved....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3121239 28-Aug-2023 15:12
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Anthropogenic climate change has been well established. These folk protesting are in their way trying to bring real and effective change to essentially save this planet not just for humans but all species. Their message is a good message, it is their method of conveying it that is wrong. One should not vote against climate change action because the message is being poorly delivered that would be incredibly illogical. Many of the folks in the Restore Rail and sensible, intelligent contributors to our society and many have been contributing for many years.





Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.


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  #3121240 28-Aug-2023 15:16
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MikeB4: Sadly these folks don't see this and are failing to bring folks along and to join. In my view they are damaging a good cause and generating an opposite outcome to what the cause needs.

 

 

 

FWIW, I agree - except that being nice about it hasn't gotten anyone anywhere, has it?

 

 

I reckon Gandhi would disagree.

 

 


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  #3121244 28-Aug-2023 15:21
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MikeB4:

 

Anthropogenic climate change has been well established. These folk protesting are in their way trying to bring real and effective change to essentially save this planet not just for humans but all species. Their message is a good message, it is their method of conveying it that is wrong. One should not vote against climate change action because the message is being poorly delivered that would be incredibly illogical. Many of the folks in the Restore Rail and sensible, intelligent contributors to our society and many have been contributing for many years.

 

 

Then the sensible, intelligent contributors need to reign in those that are actively hurting their message and cause.

 

N.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3121251 28-Aug-2023 15:31
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sen8or:

 

Remove piece of road, leave attached to protester and let protester carry on with their day. Repair road. Problem solved....

 

 

Just to play devil's advocate...

 

Remove piece of protestor, leave attached to the road, let road carry on with its day... 





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  #3121256 28-Aug-2023 15:49
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Size what feet ?





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  #3121261 28-Aug-2023 16:02
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Presumably you’ll all be equally scathing about being stuck in traffic behind these guys and their tractors?

https://www.odt.co.nz/southland/protesters-drive-tractors-across-nz




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  #3121262 28-Aug-2023 16:08
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SaltyNZ: Presumably you’ll all be equally scathing about being stuck in traffic behind these guys and their tractors?

https://www.odt.co.nz/southland/protesters-drive-tractors-across-nz

 

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  #3121265 28-Aug-2023 16:13
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johno1234:I reckon Gandhi would disagree.


 



Ghandhi wasn’t violent. He wasn’t ‘not disruptive.’ Non-violent disruption was exactly what he did.




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  #3121266 28-Aug-2023 16:15
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alasta: Yes, correct. You're a smart guy. 



Thanks, lots of people say so.




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