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#77748 11-Jul-2007 14:56

execute22:
freitasm: Still, you can't prevent others spoofing your IP address, can you?

What do you mean by "spoofing your IP address"?

The fact is it's very hard to remain anonymous; at least whilst commanding a half decent amount of bandwidth anyway.

Encryption is the best option for privacy but applications for encryption without authentication are limited.

In years to come I predict that personal use of encryption on the internet will be outlawed.

GPLv3 draft 2 required developers private keys be made public. How wrong is that?!?!

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#77750 11-Jul-2007 15:01

execute22:
freitasm: Still, you can't prevent others spoofing your IP address, can you?

What do you mean by "spoofing your IP address"?

You don't know what's "IP address spoofing"? I posted a link in that post, please follow it to read more.

In summary, is a client program that impersonates someone else's IP address.

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#77755 11-Jul-2007 15:30

True you can change the source address of a packet that you fire down your default route. and yes the packet may well reach it's destination but then what?? Do it a couple more times and you'll be well on your way to a DOS attack, so?

Like I say it's very hard to remain anonymous; if you want to communicate in 2 directions; that is, if you want to receive as well send then you'll need to let people know what your IP addresses is. And that address is tied to your ISP; they own it, and they know who was using it at a given time.

Of course if you use an anonymous proxy service you should be pretty safe but there's not enough bandwidth in there to hide what's worth hiding. (Unless your're an international spy or something). "You think your xtra GoSlow plan is crawling? you ain't seen nothing yet!"

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#77756 11-Jul-2007 15:44

I am not suggesting copyright is always right, but at the end of the day it is the law that matters. For example, Volvo has copyright on their name and on the font they use. Is it right to copyright the font? Don't think so. But if you use it, they will enforce their right. Is it right to copyright a Scandenavian word that means "I roll"? If I use it with a capital, then they will enforce their right. I know of a number of web sites taken down for that reason, how much more disrupting a consumer internet service that is used (or abused by a 3rd party) for illegal activity? If you just get warnings all the time, you ignore it and the problem is never sorted. If you distrupt the service, even a 3rd party will stop abusing it in fear of getting caught.

If you need your internet connection for business purposes, then pay for a business grade connection. I suspect in that case they will make more effort of getting hold of you. You would also get better/faster service in the event of (other) service outages.

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#77770 11-Jul-2007 17:15

Niel: I suspect in that case they will make more effort of getting hold of you.

So you're perfectly happy getting a substandard service just because it's home use not business?

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#77775 11-Jul-2007 17:55

If you are looking at it in terms of a "Business" connection having a higher grade SLA and you paying a premium for it over your lower cost "Home" connection with the correspondingly lesser SLA what he is saying makes sense.

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#77776 11-Jul-2007 17:59

Fraktul: If you are looking at it in terms of a "Business" connection having a higher grade SLA and you paying a premium for it over your lower cost "Home" connection with the correspondingly lesser SLA what he is saying makes sense.

I was refering to the whole "not being contacted thing". I would expect to be contacted if my account was suspended for anything, wether it's my ISP account, my mobile account, my bloody bank account. It's a service that people rely on, and to suspend it without warning is off in my books.

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#77784 11-Jul-2007 18:56

*shrug* if you don't like it then there is plenty of competition out there I guess. Disconnection of services without warning given the cursory nature of their verification of the facts is probably unjustified I agree.

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#77871 12-Jul-2007 18:00

Dear Customer,

We have received notice regarding your IP address (at the time) and the following copyright material being downloaded. This activity is against our terms of service which you agreed upon when joining Xnet (Acceptable Use Policy http://www.xnet.co.nz/content/terms.shtml).

What Is A Copyright Infringement Notice?

The movie, game & music industries have empowered a number of organisations to investigate and prosecute breaches of copyright occurring on the Internet. A copyright infringement is notice of a copyright breach which is usually sent to the offending users Internet service provider. You put yourself at risk of receiving a copyright infringement by using third party sharing programs and downloading copyright content from the Internet.

What happens if I receive a Copyright Infringement?

You will be warned and provided with a copy of the infringement in question. Your internet service will be temporarily suspended while notification takes place. The option is available to contact the copyright organisation and dispute said infringement. If copies of correspondence can be shown to clear the matter the infringement will not be taken into account.

What happens if I receive a second Copyright Infringement?

The Internet service will be closed & notice of the second infringement will be given. The option is available to contact the copyright organisation and dispute said infringement. If copies of correspondence can be shown to clear the matter the account can be re-instated.

Overview

Copyright breaches are illegal and dealt with in a serious manner. We do not wish to lose a customer however repeated Copyright Infringements leave us with no choice. If you receive two infringements (un-disputed) your Internet service will be closed and you will need to find another provider

Best regards,

Cameron Nicholson

Technical Response Centre Manager

WorldxChange Communications

Ph : 09 308 1361

Fax : 09 308 1301

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Re: Unauthorized Use of NBC Universal Properties
Notice ID:
5 Jul 2007 07:04:12 GMT

Please be advised that NBC Universal and/or its subsidiary and affiliated companies (collectively, NBC Universal) are the owners of exclusive rights protected under copyright law and other intellectual property rights in many motion pictures and television programs, including the title(s) listed below (the NBC Universal Properties). NBC Universal diligently enforces its rights in its motion pictures.

It has come to our attention that WorldxChange Communications is the service provider for the IP address listed below, from which unauthorized copying and distribution (downloading, uploading, file serving, file "swapping" or other similar activities) of NBC Universal's motion picture(s) listed below is taking place. We believe that the Internet access of the user engaging in this infringement is provided by WorldxChange Communications or a downstream service provider who purchases this connectivity from WorldxChange Communications.

This unauthorized copying and distribution constitutes copyright infringement under applicable national laws and international treaties. Although various legal and equitable remedies may be available to NBC Universal as a result of such infringement, NBC Universal believes that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.

Please be advised that this letter is not intended to be a complete statement of the facts or law as they may pertain to this matter or of NBC Universal's positions, rights or remedies, legal or equitable, all of which are specifically reserved.

Please send us a prompt response indicating the actions you have taken to resolve this matter, making sure to reference the Notice ID number above in your response.

mailto:antipiracy@nbcuni.com?subject=RE%3A%20Copyright%20Infringement%20Notice%20Notice%20ID
If you do not wish to reply by email, please use our Web Interface by
clicking on the following link:

http://webreply.baytsp.com/webreply/webreply.jsp?customerid=14&commhash=6465a34f89

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you email program, or favorite web browser, respectively.

Very truly yours,

Internet Anti-Piracy Team,
Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations
NBC UNIVERSAL
100 Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608
tel. (818) 777-4876
fax (818) 866-2155
antipiracy@nbcuni.com

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** For any correspondence regarding this case, please send your emails to antipiracy@nbcuni.com and refer to Notice ID: . If you need immediate assistance or if you have general questions please call the number listed above.
Title: Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Infringement Source: eDonkey
Initial Infringement Timestamp: 5 Jul 2007 06:48:16 GMT
Recent Infringment Timestamp: 5 Jul 2007 06:48:16 GMT
Infringer Username:
Infringing Filename:
Infringing Filesize: 713422186
Infringers IP Address:
Infringers DNS Name:
Infringing URL:

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NBC Universal
Aaron Markham, Director of Internet Anti-Piracy
100 Universal City Plaza (2160/7E), Universal City, California 91608 United States of America

antipiracy@nbcuni.com

WorldxChange Communications

abuse@wxnz.net

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sirrobalot

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#77872 12-Jul-2007 18:13

diconnected for 2.5 days befor knowing what was going on tried ringing but hang up after
being put on hold for way too long! 2 and a half days later get a message saying call
simon? at xnet than internet restored!
on the phone xnet said if they get another notice this month they'll dicconect me
however the email they sent said if it happens ever agia theyll disconnect me
leaving me very confussed and angary
i have a sucure router with a mac list of computers allowed on none of these computers
to the best of my knowlage run any p2p software but the mac list has been a bit ifty sometimes
i find it increadible that on acount of one email and a debatible ip signiture they can dicconect me
with out notifying me its scarry nbc has that much power
i will dispute on the grounds of there not being enough evidance to prove a) that it indeed was this ip
and not a slight mixup
b) that the material was indeed copywrite and not just coincidentally a similar\
matching name
c) that this ip was using any p2p software and not just using a t&c friendly private progame (i think)
such as foldershare

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#77932 12-Jul-2007 22:57

sirrobalot: diconnected for 2.5 days befor knowing what was going on tried ringing but hang up after

i find it increadible that on acount of one email and a debatible ip signiture they can dicconect me

with out notifying me its scarry nbc has that much power

i will dispute on the grounds of there not being enough evidance to prove a) that it indeed was this ip

and not a slight mixup

b) that the material was indeed copywrite and not just coincidentally a similar\

matching name

c) that this ip was using any p2p software and not just using a t&c friendly private progame (i think)

such as foldershare

Keep us updated with responses etc! Interested to hear the outcome of this. I'm assuming this was recent and perhaps due to a policy change on xnet's behalf? hence so many happening?

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#77937 12-Jul-2007 23:07

The validity of the said takedown notices aside, I think it would be a fair and reasonable expectation for my internet provider to contact me to discuss any infringement notice either using email, letter, fax, mobile call, landline call or a combination of the above.

I would rather not my ISP act like the internet police. Thats what the regular authorities are there for.

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#77938 12-Jul-2007 23:07

It is very easy for an ISP to log your internet activity. At work when I complained about our poor internet access, the IT department pulled my records for the previous 6 months and reported it to management who decided to block access to a few web sites including TradeMe. Funny thing is that I was also using TradeMe for work! Anyway, it is not hard to get your access logged and to verify your account was used for the download.

Do you run the XNet usage monitor? Right-click on it and check the history. Corrolate with the date/time in the e-mail to see if your connection was used at that time to download a large file.

Is your wireless router setup to broadcast the SID? If it does, then your neighbours will know you have one.

Check the BayTPS FAQ for answering questions regarding the accuracy of their investigations/detections.

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#77939 12-Jul-2007 23:10

There's at least one posting on another forum back in January. Maybe the US party has noticed the ease of getting results so is targeting more Xnet IPs. Next they'll be using the number of suspensions for anti P2P publicity.

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#77940 12-Jul-2007 23:21

Oh I have no doubts that its easy to log ones internet access. It doesn't mean a provider should venture down that path (I am not saying that they do ).

However we are not at school, we are not at work. We pay for an internet connection which should be unmolested, should anyone decide to write up one of those emails. Furthermore even if the source is legitimate (ie. not some kid or bot), there is still a heavy burden of proof of exactly what was happening. There is always the possibility of things like insecure wifi, compromised PC's etc which should be carefully taken into account.

Stuff like this where you are 'guilty until proven otherwise' is just wrong and while it may unfortunately take place on a regular basis in America with their mass MAFIAA lawsuits, it is definitely something that does not belong in New Zealand.

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