Installing fibre in a new build, and internal ETP

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#220374 8-Aug-2017 13:53

Doing a new build in a fibre area. I have a couple of questions

The land is totally clear. As there is no existing copper line installed on the site, who pays for the fibre to be laid within the property,. With existing houses it is currently free. However according to this page ,it is the land owner who is responsible for paying for everything, although I don't know if that applies in areas where the install is supposed to be free https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/wiring-broadband/who-will-install-wiring-fibre-broadband-if-im-building-new-house

Also is it possible to not have an external pipe and ETP running up the side of external cladding? Normally services go into a building through the slab when building new, and not piped on teh outside. Instead can a conduit be installed in the slab, and an ETP box be installed in the wardrobe, where networking gear will be located. Or is an ETP box required at all in that case, and can it just be connected straight to the ONT? Can the contractor just lay a conduit down through the slab where the exterior wall will go, with the required diameter and curve radius, to the outside. Which will then allow the chorus installers to pull the wire up through. Potentially it would make the install a lot easier for them, and reduces the risk of weather tightness issues with cladding. If this is possible, is there any info on the exact specs this needs to meet? I can't see much on the chorus website about this.

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#1841139 8-Aug-2017 13:56

interested as well but we already have a copper conenction

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#1841182 8-Aug-2017 14:40

I'm also interested in hearing responses to this, will be in a similar position next year. Couldn't find much info about new builds on the chorus website.

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#1841227 8-Aug-2017 15:35

I did phone chorus about it, but I don't think the person I spoke to understood., and I was probably only dealing with a call centre where they are just using a database of FAQs. They said that it always had to go on the outside of the house, so that the ETP could be accessed. I suspect that is the easiest way to do it in terms of a uniform 'one size fits all approach'. But the fact is that all other services usually go in the slab or wall on a new build. Even the old copper lines go up through the slab in the walls. My cladding manufacturer did say that if it goes on the outside, they wouldn't cover any leaks caused by it.

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#1841229 8-Aug-2017 15:37

CutCutCut:

I'm also interested in hearing responses to this, will be in a similar position next year. Couldn't find much info about new builds on the chorus website.

It does seem to be lacking a lot of info. I suspect most standard houses being built by developers, will just get it installed on the outside, beucase it is the easiest default option.

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#1841230 8-Aug-2017 15:40

Isn't the whole point of an ETP is that it is an EXTERNAL Termination Point?

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#1841233 8-Aug-2017 15:47

msukiwi:

Isn't the whole point of an ETP is that it is an EXTERNAL Termination Point?

Doesn't mean that it has to go on the external wall the building though, it could be an external termination box on an interior wall.From my understanding based on my current install, is that it is just a cover that can be accessed for the connection of the main line with the house line. Also I can see the point of having an ETP if the install is going on the exterior of the building, as that then connects to the ONT. However if the fibre is already inside the building envelope, it could then connect to the ONT directly. I am just wondering if it has more to do with the ownership of the fibre itself, as usually the owner will own all cables and pipes that are on their property. But that may not be the case with fibre on your property. I have heard of fibre being installed in the wall,by others by can't find any info on the requirements.

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#1841235 8-Aug-2017 15:48

ETP is required to take the hardened fibre cable and turn it into internal fibre cable. The ETP is always required and is required to be on the outside (External Termination Point).

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#1841242 8-Aug-2017 15:55

Sounddude:

ETP is required to take the hardened fibre cable and turn it into internal fibre cable. The ETP is always required and is required to be on the outside (External Termination Point).

as above, it is a termination point intended to be external.

Chorus do cover the connection up to the ONT as that is where their network ends (assuming you have not caused damage to the equipment - eg ripped the ONT off the wall and broke the fibre)

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#1841250 8-Aug-2017 15:59

hio77:

Sounddude:

ETP is required to take the hardened fibre cable and turn it into internal fibre cable. The ETP is always required and is required to be on the outside (External Termination Point).

as above, it is a termination point intended to be external.

Chorus do cover the connection up to the ONT as that is where their network ends (assuming you have not caused damage to the equipment - eg ripped the ONT off the wall and broke the fibre)

Thanks for that info. Is there a limit to the distance between the ONT and the ETP? Just that I had planned to have them in the same location, but will have to now put it in a service area on the corner of the building which is quite a distance from the ONT location.

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#1841261 8-Aug-2017 16:14

if you run the ducting and make it as easy as possible to get the hybrid fibre cable (fibre with some copper pairs in it) from the ETP to the ONT i dont think there is much issue.

and ETP inside a building ceases to be an ETP, as the E is for External

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#1841272 8-Aug-2017 16:27

Your key information can be found on enables site.

https://www.enable.net.nz/connect-to-fibre/connecting-your-home/preparing-your-home/

In particular the specifications for the bends and such. Their feel is the sparky should know. But if you are attempting to DIY, the specifications are laid out there.

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#1841277 8-Aug-2017 16:29

Thanks, that was the document I was looking for.

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#1841309 8-Aug-2017 16:57

FWIW, my fibre install has no ETP. But, it's an old house and an aerial install, so not really applicable to the circumstances here.

The "exterior" fibre runs all the way from the pole to the ONT. Seems to work as normal, but I suspect it's not in line with the standard installation requirements.

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#1841314 8-Aug-2017 17:06

mattwnz: My cladding manufacturer did say that if it goes on the outside, they wouldn't cover any leaks caused by it.

What about any other items that penetrate the cladding such as external taps, power meter boxes?

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#1841325 8-Aug-2017 17:32

Yes the ETP - Goes externally on the side of the build - it is the point at which the fibre, wether it be blown or a fixed fibre is transitioned into a suitable internal cable or microducting. It is also the point at which your service can be checked, by the service company, without requiring the end customer to be home to allow access (the same way that your power/gas meter - Switch, Fuse or tap etc is externally accessed)

Normally with a greenfeilds install (New House/sub-division/never had copper) a conduit with a draw wire, or just an empty microduct, is installed to the outside during the building developement (hopefully lined up with the internal pathway/drawwire) and when service is requested, at a later stage, then the end of the conduit/microduct is fitted off with the ETP (all so known as an FTB - Fibre Termination Box) and the actual fibre is blown/ hauled through into it. Internal cable/ ducting is installed at this stage too

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