Chorus trialling 'service delivery points' - possible home wiring improvement

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#62668 11-Jun-2010 22:41

Have a look at: http://www.chorus.co.nz/service-delivery-points

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#340822 11-Jun-2010 22:51

Wow, now that would be neat!
I wonder how much it would cost?

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#340824 11-Jun-2010 22:56

interesting....

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#340875 12-Jun-2010 07:01

My understanding is the SDP rollout starts next month, inititally for homes who will be part of the first wave of Telecom VoIP customers using RGW's.

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#340879 12-Jun-2010 08:49

Chorus will be releasing a couple of new services very shortly for home wiring checks and upgrades, will post more when I get the info

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#340885 12-Jun-2010 09:03

Are the current staff any better trained than the old staff that installed the existing wiring :)

What is the new delivery point, is it some sort of active demarcation?

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#340957 12-Jun-2010 14:53

what does it do exactly?

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#341002 12-Jun-2010 18:33

Looks like it will solve the emergency telephone 'power problem' of using fibre/ADSL+VoIP solutions which go dark when the power goes out. It says it's only power for ethernet, but supports copper devices. I assume this is worded incorrectly(?) and means it will supply POTS power to the copper lines in the house from the inbuilt battery so you can still call 111 in a power outage.

I wonder if they have inbuild battery failure monitoring and we will see the Chorus replacing all the batteries enmass 3 years from now :-)

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#342091 15-Jun-2010 20:48

This looks very interesting! So it is basically a cabinet which your current copper will run into and in the future your fibre?

I would love to know if I could pay to have my copper connection to the exchange upgraded or even checked.

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#342095 15-Jun-2010 21:00

Bung: Are the current staff any better trained than the old staff that installed the existing wiring :)

What is the new delivery point, is it some sort of active demarcation?

I think it's unfair to blame old staff who installed wiring. Issues exist for a number of reasons - poor installation in only one of them. Corrosion in jackpoints is probably one of the biggest, in part due to our damp homes. Wiring in series is also a significant issues, but the reality is Telecom haven't recommended this for well over 10 years and yet it's still the standard method of installation for both DIY and many eans who know no better.

Wiring from the exchange to houses is typically fairly good, it's in the home where things typically fall apart.

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#342103 15-Jun-2010 21:33

sbiddle:
Bung: Are the current staff any better trained than the old staff that installed the existing wiring :)

What is the new delivery point, is it some sort of active demarcation?

I think it's unfair to blame old staff who installed wiring. Issues exist for a number of reasons - poor installation in only one of them. Corrosion in jackpoints is probably one of the biggest, in part due to our damp homes. Wiring in series is also a significant issues, but the reality is Telecom haven't recommended this for well over 10 years and yet it's still the standard method of installation for both DIY and many eans who know no better.

Wiring from the exchange to houses is typically fairly good, it's in the home where things typically fall apart.

Yes "trained" is the wrong word, it's probably the time allowed per job.

Regarding corrosion, the BT jack for all its faults was an attempt to get a more reliable jack than the US one. Out of commercial environments the RJ type are also subject to corrosion. In the US there were some trials where the jack was filled with a jelly like the wire joiners. It will be interesting to see how they survive here.

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#342105 15-Jun-2010 21:39

Bung: Regarding corrosion, the BT jack for all its faults was an attempt to get a more reliable jack than the US one. Out of commercial environments the RJ type are also subject to corrosion. In the US there were some trials where the jack was filled with a jelly like the wire joiners. It will be interesting to see how they survive here.

Modern jackpoints are a lot better than old ones.

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#342108 15-Jun-2010 21:56

It doesn't look like the old problems have totally gone away, on an outside wall I'd avoid a product that couldn't be replaced. Leave some slack :)

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#371459 23-Aug-2010 12:29

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/telecoms-it-media/4048970/Chorus-offers-deal-to-rewire-fo...

Spokesman Brett Jackson said Chorus would install a "service delivery point" with high-speed internet (Cat5e) cabling for about $200. Customers would order the work to be done through their internet provider.

But also refer to the below.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=66209
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=95&topicid=66118

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#373701 27-Aug-2010 18:27

Chorus has simply failed to consider conventional wireless solutions ..always thinking about cable, relying on a ill-conceived notion that amplification or boosting broadband signals over existing home old telephone cables as the best to improve household Broadband speeds up and around 10Mb per second, as the alternative option against total or partail Cat5/6 rewiring.

In comparison more widely excepted methodologies such as 802.11g/n wireless providing 24- 54Mbps and the better portability such wifi devices offer absolutely renders the CHORUS solution dead in the water.

In the following recent article CHORUS fails to mention wifi as an option to improve broadband speeds is proof they are not thinking wireless at all.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501833&objectid=10650104

You will notice they do not talk about Wifi?

Why its because they are all Cable Guys !!

The $200 dollars CHORUS wants for this piece of #%^&!!.....its a total joke !! this money would be better spent on installing new Cat 5/6 Cable so home owners can get a Gbbps speed or a Wifi access point at half the price and double the speed.

Try to follow this geekzone discussion for latest info

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=66118&forumid=95&page_no=5

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#373709 27-Aug-2010 18:58

I think you will find that this device is intended to bypass existing house wiring and provide a CAT5 feed directly to the customers modem from the Point of entry. Existing house wiring can then be fed from the device via the inbuilt splitter.
There is no intention to provide whole house networking for the customer.
Considering the vast majority of slow speeds/ connection issues lie with faulty out of spec internal wiring, I cant help but see this as a benefit. Obviously a wireless ADSL modem can then be used, making the most of the improved connection rates.

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