Speed and loss of connectivity

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#746504 17-Jan-2013 18:23

johnr:
Paradox187:
johny99: What is your SLA with Orcon?

Full speed Downloads and like 1 or so for uploads, standard Genius account.

My line speed is fine, it just falls over when it hits Orcons international gateway.

You expect full line speed to international? That could be on the next Tui Billboard

Unless you have a SLA agreement it's best effort

Have you read any of this thread?

I do not expect full speed to international servers, I expect the same speed (I would accept better of course) to the same servers that I had before this problem arose.

I fail to see how "best effort" can drop from a average of 10Mbps to an average of 2Mbps with the occasional 4Mbps thrown in.

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#746505 17-Jan-2013 18:26

Yes I have read the thread,

It's called subscriber growth same as a motorway, More cars on the motorway slower the traffic flows

Registration for my car still costs the same

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#746507 17-Jan-2013 18:30

johnr: Yes I have read the thread,

It's called subscriber growth same as a motorway, More cars on the motorway slower the traffic flows

Registration for my car still costs the same

I accept growth, but you must also see that 2Mbos international connection is unacceptable.

Why even have boardband if thats the best you can get, and if this is the best Orcon can do then I am wasting my time and I need to change providers.

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#746509 17-Jan-2013 18:33

Paradox187:
johnr: Yes I have read the thread,

It's called subscriber growth same as a motorway, More cars on the motorway slower the traffic flows

Registration for my car still costs the same

I accept growth, but you must also see that 2Mbos international connection is unacceptable.

Why even have boardband if thats the best you can get, and if this is the best Orcon can do then I am wasting my time and I need to change providers.

unacceptable for you but many like myself would find 2Mbps fine, If you need a QoS on international you better open your wallet and expect to pay well over $1000 per month

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#746539 17-Jan-2013 19:28

Paradox187:

Are you telling me I should just accept the fact of losing half of my "normal" speed and just ignore the fact that games I enjoy are now almost unplayable?

I might add here also that Orcon have admitted that something is not right here, they just can't seem to fix it.

I'm not trying to argue here, I would agree you should not just accept the fact your getting slower speeds. I was simply sharing the cause for what might cause a speed issue after all this is Geekzone a large number of users here work in the industry.

2mbit per TCP thread would be completely acceptable to a US location however i would expect more then 2mbit total for multiple TCP threads, if your getting less this would signify shaping.

EDIT: oh last of all, things change routes change sometimes they might be good sometimes they might be bad. Only for specialized business accounts would you have any influence to those changes sadly that is the reality of residential Internet.

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#746591 17-Jan-2013 23:16

How about copy/pasting some MTRs?

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#746603 18-Jan-2013 01:00

kyhwana2: How about copy/pasting some MTRs?

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#746670 18-Jan-2013 09:32

Nebbie: To me I sounds like normal congestion with Orcon.
What servers are you speedtesting to what is your sydeny speedtests like compaired to LA speed test and further away.

Example Sydney:

Harder to argue - I'm a business customer, which means my bandwidth is a different pool to residential and I still have the issues. Although unlike the OP I also have issues open with Chorus relating to the physical line (Orcon's refusal to actually address this issue is why I'm moving away).

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#746867 18-Jan-2013 14:10

For what its worth this is a traceroute from another ISP....

traceroute to 159.153.92.28 (159.153.92.28), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 gw-vrrp-pri.flat33.co.nz (101.98.11.157) 0.213 ms 0.206 ms 0.288 ms
2 p89.pool-82.callplus.net.nz (202.180.82.89) 1.830 ms 1.826 ms 1.896 ms
3 vlan7-cpcak3-s1.tranzpeer.net (202.180.81.49) 0.475 ms 0.518 ms 0.590 ms
4 x7-1-0-101.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.234.61) 3.639 ms 3.600 ms 3.592 ms
5 xe3-1-0.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.74) 0.820 ms 0.841 ms 0.839 ms
6 ae2-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.142) 125.122 ms 125.007 ms so6-1-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.42) 125.069 ms
7 ae0-3.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.86) 128.972 ms 129.036 ms ae1-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.93) 128.966 ms
8 xe-0-3-0-12.r01.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (198.172.90.97) 125.532 ms 125.592 ms 125.528 ms
9 ae-7.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.9) 125.471 ms 125.477 ms ae-1.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.240) 156.678 ms
10 ae-2.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.86) 157.377 ms ae-1.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.230) 157.089 ms ae-7.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.9) 129.197 ms
11 ae-1.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.230) 160.820 ms ae-0.verizonbusiness.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.8.86) 125.354 ms 125.292 ms
12 0.xe-7-0-3.XT1.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.40.41) 226.386 ms 226.384 ms ae-0.verizonbusiness.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.8.86) 129.176 ms
13 TenGigE0-6-0-0.GW5.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.110) 233.926 ms 233.991 ms 233.932 ms
14 dft-gw.customer.alter.net (152.179.164.162) 196.511 ms TenGigE0-6-0-0.GW5.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.110) 237.265 ms dft-gw.customer.alter.net (152.179.164.162) 196.807 ms

--- 159.153.92.28 ping statistics ---
13 packets transmitted, 13 received, 0% packet loss, time 11999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 230.373/235.103/240.013/2.618 ms

As you can see from your traceroute above your first jump of latency is between Odyssey and Cogentco this latency is normal for the distance between NZ and US (the southern Cross latency is 130ms ish...) however the jump between Cogentco and Alter Net is rather high for a HOP withen the US.

This problem Is out of the control of Orcon and Odyssey, Cogentco may have changed routes between them and Alter net and thus the increased latency.... Some times this happens and there's nothing the end user can do.

As you can see from my traceroute above My ISP and their International transit carrier does not ever touch Cogentco so thus there's less latency.

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#746880 18-Jan-2013 14:20

I could be completely off base here but that looks like about 220ms ping or there abouts.
Not great but a lot more playable than the average of 300-350 I am getting with spikes up to 40k

Someone has to be responsible for Cogentco,
Surely it is up to my ISP to correct any issues along its route?

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#746906 18-Jan-2013 15:24

Really? They're routing via Cogent?!?

There's a reason that the company I rent dedicated servers from uses "No Cogent" as part of their sales tactics - Cogent is widely renowned as cheap and nasty transit, usually routing halfway across the planet to get a kilometre down the road. I've heard they're trying to clean up that perception, but stuff like this makes me less certain.

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#746951 18-Jan-2013 16:23

Kyanar: Really? They're routing via Cogent?!?

There's a reason that the company I rent dedicated servers from uses "No Cogent" as part of their sales tactics - Cogent is widely renowned as cheap and nasty transit, usually routing halfway across the planet to get a kilometre down the road. I've heard they're trying to clean up that perception, but stuff like this makes me less certain.

welcome to nz internet.

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#746966 18-Jan-2013 16:38

Paradox187:
Someone has to be responsible for Cogentco,
Surely it is up to my ISP to correct any issues along its route?

Yes to a degree your ISP is responsible however in this case is most likely its impossible for your ISP to have an issue fixed several carriers along the way.

What It possibly comes down to is a disagreement within cogent and their bandwidth provider and thus no more bandwidth has been purchased and thus the increased latency.... sadly there's no way to fix these issues.... other then yelling at people intill someone balls up and pays what ever is need to fix the problem.

Just like if Orcon failed to purchase more bandwidth from their provider and a website hosted within orcons network from AOL gets high latency its not AOL's problem to fix.

This is a problem with "The Internet" and there's no fix for it....

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#746970 18-Jan-2013 16:47

this destination host is in new york. orcon have suboptimal routing, but cheap prices. it doesn't look significantly broken to me.

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#747063 18-Jan-2013 18:25

I haven't even begun to yell yet Nebbie, shouted a little but no yelling.

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