Orcon's Pencils are always Sharp ... really?

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#989906 18-Feb-2014 19:19

FireEngine:
61339: ...though I fail to understand why surfing habits would change so dramatically over a wide demographic.

When everyone was on dialup, page designers and content developers carefully sized images for quick download due to the VERY limited bandwidth available.

As connections get faster, designers design more for quality and experience as the connection speed is less of a limitation. So to put it simply, perhaps 1000% more data needs to be moved to your machine to load the Herald's webpage than even 3yrs ago...

True, but sadly most of that isn't website per se but the bloated obnoxious flash-based advertising they bundle with every page impression, along with annoying javascript (tyre tracks across the whole screen and a Firestone ad anyone).

Surf to the Herald with flashblock and noscript enabled and the footprint is much smaller, the load is faster, and the experience is vastly more pleasant. There are still ads, but they aren't flashy, shouty and annoying.

Regrettably, the only thing needed to make the experience enticing is proper reporting - which there isn't an app for and why I almost never go to that site nowadays.

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#989917 18-Feb-2014 19:34

61339: [snip] The cost of broadband in NZ is somewhat inflated (trying to be nice about being continuously rorted by proxy)

Really?

I disagree.

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#990008 18-Feb-2014 21:18

JimmyH: True, but sadly most of that isn't website per se but the bloated obnoxious flash-based advertising they bundle with every page impression, along with annoying javascript (tyre tracks across the whole screen and a Firestone ad anyone).

Surf to the Herald with flashblock and noscript enabled and the footprint is much smaller, the load is faster, and the experience is vastly more pleasant. There are still ads, but they aren't flashy, shouty and annoying.

Regrettably, the only thing needed to make the experience enticing is proper reporting - which there isn't an app for and why I almost never go to that site nowadays.

Yep but my point was it is driven by the content providers (and their advertisers), not by just the browsing habits of the population....

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#990052 18-Feb-2014 22:36

61339: like electricity points towards a monopolistic source able to capture virtually the entire market and impose an unmoderated wholesale price upon the majority of retailers.

Well electricity is all about price because frankly there aren't any other product variables....NZ ISPs Plans are all "similar" in the same way all cars are "similar" from all manufacturers.....

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#990180 19-Feb-2014 09:54

I wonder if the OP has Sky? If so does s/he watch every Sky channel? If not have they been in touch with Sky so they can get a custom channel package created just for their budget?

Just because you're getting 80GB with a VDSL plan doesn't mean you're being charged by the GB for it.

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#990240 19-Feb-2014 10:56

deadlyllama: Does any ISP provide VDSL service including a phone line for less than $85/mo?

Yep https://www.wxc.co.nz/residential/fusion/

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#991228 20-Feb-2014 17:01

coffeebaron:
deadlyllama: Does any ISP provide VDSL service including a phone line for less than $85/mo?

Yep https://www.wxc.co.nz/residential/fusion/

But you have to pay $285 for the router on top of the monthly $75 for your 20gig of data so nearly 2.5 years to break even....

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#991233 20-Feb-2014 17:14

tkr001:
coffeebaron:
deadlyllama: Does any ISP provide VDSL service including a phone line for less than $85/mo?

Yep https://www.wxc.co.nz/residential/fusion/

But you have to pay $285 for the router on top of the monthly $75 for your 20gig of data so nearly 2.5 years to break even....

Good spot - so quite an expensive 20GB then....

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#992411 22-Feb-2014 17:16

http://www.slingshot.co.nz/products/fibre/ultra-vdsl/

$34.95 for modem incl. delivery.

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#992461 22-Feb-2014 17:50

Neori: http://www.slingshot.co.nz/products/fibre/ultra-vdsl/

$34.95 for modem incl. delivery.

But that is cheapest $84 - question was is there VDSL and phone line with any provider for under $75, there is but at huge cost for the modem.

$34.95 is expensive compared to our modems. Just sayin :-)

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#1026020 16-Apr-2014 10:17

Jase2985: if you use less than 10gb per month why do you even think you need faster internet?

$20 more a month for about 3x the speed down and 10x the speed up and 50gb more data and your complaining?

To all those who think my request for a 30 GB plan on VDSL is a little daft, etc., ... all your arguments get blown out of the water by Orcon itself which is offering a 30 GB plan on FIBRE .

Where does that leave you who propagate the nonsense concept that those who have increased speed will proportionally use more data?

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#1026022 16-Apr-2014 10:20

FireEngine:
61339: ...though I fail to understand why surfing habits would change so dramatically over a wide demographic.

When everyone was on dialup, page designers and content developers carefully sized images for quick download due to the VERY limited bandwidth available.

As connections get faster, designers design more for quality and experience as the connection speed is less of a limitation. So to put it simply, perhaps 1000% more data needs to be moved to your machine to load the Herald's webpage than even 3yrs ago...

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#1026033 16-Apr-2014 10:32

61339:
To all those who think my request for a 30 GB plan on VDSL is a little daft, etc., ... all your arguments get blown out of the water by Orcon itself which is offering a 30 GB plan on FIBRE .

Where does that leave you who propagate the nonsense concept that those who have increased speed will proportionally use more data?

But only on the Fibre30 plan, not Fibre100. So only on the slower fibre offering, just like only on the slower DSL offering (ADSL and not VDSL).

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#1026037 16-Apr-2014 10:35

61339: To all those who think my request for a 30 GB plan on VDSL is a little daft, etc., ... all your arguments get blown out of the water by Orcon itself which is offering a 30 GB plan on FIBRE .

Where does that leave you who propagate the nonsense concept that those who have increased speed will proportionally use more data?

That plan dates from our launch of UFB, at this time there is near-zero take-up and by far our most popular plan is Unlimited - the case to develop a 30GB plan doesn't stack up now, which is why there isn't a VDSL 30GB plan and no plans to build one.

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#1026048 16-Apr-2014 10:51

61339: To all those who think my request for a 30 GB plan on VDSL is a little daft, etc., ... all your arguments get blown out of the water by Orcon itself which is offering a 30 GB plan on FIBRE .

We offer the 30Gb plan on the slower 30/10 fibre as a low cost entry level option for those who cannot get ADSL2+ due to not having copper available, or want to future-proof their homes by installing UFB now even if they don't plan to use it to its potential in the meantime.

If you're only planning to use 30Gb a month it would be easy to argue there is no benefit in having 100/50 Fibre service or the higher speeds offered by VDSL over ADSL. It would be like buying a Ferrari to drive to the shops once a week.

Because it just doesn't make a lot of sense to us, and we don't think a lot of people would buy it, we don't offer it.

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