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#2249033 31-May-2019 11:27

MikeB4:

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MikeB4: New Zealand is in the boat. Anything anyone wants to know about us they can get from Google. If anyone wanted to invade us there is nothing we can do. We have two Frigates, 4 Patrol boats, no Fighter or strike aircraft, no attack helicopters, no tanks, and handful of artillery pieces, and tiny number of ground to air hand controlled anti aircraft missiles. Our Army is so under funded and manned it can barely raise a Battalion of combat trained soldiers. We do however have a very good SAS unit.

It may surprise you to learn that Google doesn't know everything, even if it can find you advanced copies to the Budget. Besides, they don't have Google in China - it is banned remember?

What you have stated are reasons to be even more vigilant, not reasons to be more cavalier.

Yet it takes a few seconds to use Google in China and any other search engine. My comment "Anything anyone wants to know about us they can get from Google" was not meant to be literal, it meant anything about NZ is not hard to find out.

What I am saying is the Malaysian gentleman is aware of their capabilities which are vastly better than ours and knows that an invader could walk through. In NZ an aggressor could fly transport aircraft loaded with troops into Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch Airports and Ohakea Airbase and that would be game over. That is the reality of our capabilities.

However unless an aggressor is desperate for space, sheep, Tui Beer and or milk there is no real incentive to go to the trouble.

No need to send troops.

Just send 1% of the civilians and we are overrun.

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#2249392 31-May-2019 23:08

surfisup1000: Speaking at the Future of Asia forum in Tokyo on Thursday (May 30), Dr Mahathir added that Malaysia would not be deterred by the security concerns around Huawei.

In practice you can believe Malaysia examines all aspects of installation just like any other country does.

The security concerns expressed recently seem to be entirely the security concerns of the USA.

What is often missing from these stories is the ridiculous number of vulnerabilities found in telco equipment from every manufacturer every year even in existing networks and usually left unfixed for a long long time. If they even consider a fix at all..

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#2249395 31-May-2019 23:29

MikeB4:
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I do quite like the malaysian governments approach.... they already gave up on national defense and don't care if china spies ...

https://www.todayonline.com/world/malaysia-will-use-huawei-much-possible-says-mahathir

Dr Mahathir reasoned that Huawei's research is "far bigger than the whole of Malaysia's research capabilities”, reported Malaysian news agency Bernama.

"So we try to make use of their technology as much as possible," he explained.

Speaking at the Future of Asia forum in Tokyo on Thursday (May 30), Dr Mahathir added that Malaysia would not be deterred by the security concerns around Huawei.

Dr Mahathir said: "Yes, there may be some spying. But what is there to spy (on) exactly in Malaysia? We are an open book."

"Everybody knows, if any country wants to invade Malaysia, they can walk through, and we will not resist because it's a waste of time."

New Zealand is in the boat. Anything anyone wants to know about us they can get from Google. If anyone wanted to invade us there is nothing we can do. We have two Frigates, 4 Patrol boats, no Fighter or strike aircraft, no attack helicopters, no tanks, and handful of artillery pieces, and tiny number of ground to air hand controlled anti aircraft missiles. Our Army is so under funded and manned it can barely raise a Battalion of combat trained soldiers. We do however have a very good SAS unit.

We also have had no need for a larger defence force for 70 years. Given that the current level of funding seems pretty appropriate.

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#2253869 7-Jun-2019 14:37

MikeB4: However unless an aggressor is desperate for space, sheep, Tui Beer and or milk there is no real incentive to go to the trouble.

....or our untapped oil, coal and steel resources that we seem to be saving for an invader to plunder.

But that is a rather simplistic assessment.

I think it was the Victoria Uni Centre for for Strategic studies published an interesting paper on likely invaders of NZ.

2 scenarios were someone wanting to use us as a stepping stone into Southern Australia where the Ozzie defences are weaker (their might is concentrated in the North), or 2 Asian countries trying to blockade each others shipping & trade.

It is pretty easy to block ships around the Malacca straits, which would force shipping around the bottom of Ozzie and up/down the Tasman. They would be seeking to base their Air/navy forces in NZ because we are far softer than Australia and better located for reaching into the pacific. The latter is not a remote scenario with the history China has of upsetting its neighbours.

The falsehood of thinking Ozzie will help us is that if Ozzie thinks someone is about to use us as a stepping stone into Ozzie's back door, the Australians would more likely be rushing blow up our ports and runways, as that is far cheaper, faster and lower risk method of strengthening their back door than defending us.

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#2253872 7-Jun-2019 14:44

...also most Kiwi's don't realise our untapped potential wealth and that we have the 3rd largest EEZ in the world. Once you own NZ, you own the 3rd biggest fish and sea floor resources in the world.

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#2253877 7-Jun-2019 14:52

tripper1000:

The falsehood of thinking Ozzie will help us is that if Ozzie thinks someone is about to use us as a stepping stone into Ozzie's back door, the Australians would more likely be rushing blow up our ports and runways, as that is far cheaper, faster and lower risk method of strengthening their back door than defending us.

I'm quite certain Australia would come to NZ's defense. I don't think the US would.

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#2253937 7-Jun-2019 15:33

tripper1000:

....or our untapped oil, coal and steel resources that we seem to be saving for an invader to plunder.

In 20 years, our untapped oil reserves will be worth nothing, because the world will have moved onto electric cars. If our coal reserves were worth anything, why didn't State Coal or Solid Energy not make a fortune for us? Likewise steel (by which I assume you mean iron, steel not being a natural resource).

2 scenarios were someone wanting to use us as a stepping stone into Southern Australia where the Ozzie defences are weaker (their might is concentrated in the North), or 2 Asian countries trying to blockade each others shipping & trade.

It is pretty easy to block ships around the Malacca straits, which would force shipping around the bottom of Ozzie and up/down the Tasman. They would be seeking to base their Air/navy forces in NZ because we are far softer than Australia and better located for reaching into the pacific. The latter is not a remote scenario with the history China has of upsetting its neighbours.

The falsehood of thinking Ozzie will help us is that if Ozzie thinks someone is about to use us as a stepping stone into Ozzie's back door, the Australians would more likely be rushing blow up our ports and runways, as that is far cheaper, faster and lower risk method of strengthening their back door than defending us.

If you blockade the Malacca Straits, there's a dozen other ways to go from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific, north of Australia. And, even if there weren't, trying to blockade the Tasman from NZ alone is nonsense. A thousand miles of ocean and bad weather. Our Skyhawks needed to midair refuel just to get to Aus, let alone back again. Likewise, NZ as a military stepping stone into Australia is laughable. There's a thousand places that are closer to Australia than NZ.

I think it's much more credible that a foreign power would see NZ as a very tidy colony, to provide cheap food to the motherland with very little needed in the way of investment. And we are seeing exactly that process underway, with increasing foreign ownership of farmland and infrastructure.

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#2253938 7-Jun-2019 15:33

If that were required, we’d be more than capable of destroying and denying our own resources.

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#2253941 7-Jun-2019 15:44

John Marsden wrote a series of young adult novels around the opposite scenario, where Australia was invaded and occupied and assistance came from New Zealand.

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#2255524 10-Jun-2019 19:52

Can someone update me where we are at, is Huawei meeting the demands?

Im curious as the Mate 30 is one of the phones later in the year I have my eye on, but Im concerned if Huawei is building a separate OS and Play store its not for me.

Aside from having to allocate a large chunk of my tech funds to a new camera body, another reason I didnt buy the p30 pro preorder at a very good price, is the Mate is meant to be the flagship so I figured I would wait to see what they come up with on that platform, hopefully flat screen.

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#2255526 10-Jun-2019 20:14

TeaLeaf:

Can someone update me where we are at, is Huawei meeting the demands?

Im curious as the Mate 30 is one of the phones later in the year I have my eye on, but Im concerned if Huawei is building a separate OS and Play store its not for me.

Aside from having to allocate a large chunk of my tech funds to a new camera body, another reason I didnt buy the p30 pro preorder at a very good price, is the Mate is meant to be the flagship so I figured I would wait to see what they come up with on that platform, hopefully flat screen.

The Mate 30 is to be the flagship. The P30 Pro is the flagship now. You can't just keep waiting for the next one forever.

I am sorry, but you have been posting the same thing for the last twelve months. There's a comment for every single model, and to be it mildly, it's annoying now.

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#2255527 10-Jun-2019 20:14

TeaLeaf:

Can someone update me where we are at, is Huawei meeting the demands?

Im curious as the Mate 30 is one of the phones later in the year I have my eye on, but Im concerned if Huawei is building a separate OS and Play store its not for me.

Aside from having to allocate a large chunk of my tech funds to a new camera body, another reason I didnt buy the p30 pro preorder at a very good price, is the Mate is meant to be the flagship so I figured I would wait to see what they come up with on that platform, hopefully flat screen.

Reading anyone of the major Tech news sites would bring you up to date. eg The Verge, 9 to 5 Google, Forbes, Neowin........

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#2255540 10-Jun-2019 20:41

MikeB4:

TeaLeaf:

Can someone update me where we are at, is Huawei meeting the demands?

Im curious as the Mate 30 is one of the phones later in the year I have my eye on, but Im concerned if Huawei is building a separate OS and Play store its not for me.

Aside from having to allocate a large chunk of my tech funds to a new camera body, another reason I didnt buy the p30 pro preorder at a very good price, is the Mate is meant to be the flagship so I figured I would wait to see what they come up with on that platform, hopefully flat screen.

Reading anyone of the major Tech news sites would bring you up to date. eg The Verge, 9 to 5 Google, Forbes, Neowin........

that would involve them doing research instead of someone else doing it for them